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C'est en effet un peu maigre comme commentaire. Je m'étais habituée à ses ressentis détaillés, et franchement je trouvais ça passionnant. J'espère qu'il va revenir à quelque chose de plus consistant. :D

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Pfff, quand je pense à New Spring... Si son éditeur n'avait pas voulu lui faire écrire cette préquelle alors que le cycle n'était même pas terminé, on aurait pu avoir un tome 12 signé de la main de Robert Jordan. :(

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En tout cas, je pense qu'il a la bonne démarche, cf :
So, I read and find myself saying "I wonder if I could make this particular thing happen?" That is followed with "is that what Mr. Jordan would do?" Finally, I come around to "What is best for the story?" And I think that last one stands the most tall.

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Nouveau message nettement plus conséquent :
I have finished PATH OF DAGGERS, but I still haven't done a blog post on CROWN OF SWORDS, so we'll do that one first. One of the things I went into this series wondering was if I could pick out why some readers grew frustrated with the series around books seven and eight. I went into this book during this particular read-through expecting it to be one of the weaker ones in the series, and yet, I found it to be one of my favorites. Those of you who read my initial Dragonmount interview will recall that the scene in this book where Nynaeve overcomes her Block at the bottom of the river, while Lan races to save her, is one of my very favorite in the entire series. I felt that the foreshadowing of the events here worked perfectly, and the character growth for Nynaeve over the last few books has continued to grow her as one of my favorite (if not my very favorite) viewpoints to read. Rand's character progression is also deftly handled, though he is going the other direction, in many ways. He is becoming harder and harder as he suffers more and more (the beatings in the last book didn't help either.) Part of me wonders if this character progression, which I find marvelously done, is part of what drove readers to complain about these later books. If that is the case, then they are missing one of the great aspects of the series, in my opinion. Rand is particularly heroic in how he faces so many difficult challenges, being beaten up physically and mentally, yet continues on despite it and even retains a large measure of his inner nobility. I object to complaints about pacing. I thing the pacing across the series has been even, and I certainly didn't find this book to be any slower than previous volumes. However, perhaps that's because I'm able to read these all through without any wait in-between. One thing that is happening is that as the series grows longer, the viewpoints per character grow less and less frequent. There are enough main characters with important plots that we can't spend an entire book focusing on just two or three of them like we did during the early books.This series, as I've said before, is meant to be read straight through. I think, perhaps, that waiting two years for this book and then only getting a tiny slice of the overall story might be what caused complaints from readers. It's not that the writing quality went down (I think it goes up as the series continues) or that the pacing grew slower. I think that the problem is readers not grasping the entire vision of the story, which is difficult to do when you don't know how many books there will be or how long it will be until they are done.I point as a counterweight to these complaints that when you CAN read the entire series straight through, the viewpoints work so well together that the books become an even greater masterpiece. The story is so complex and interconnected that you can often get your payoffs chapters and chapters away from the places where they are introduced. But they're all the more sweet for the complexity and delicate touch.Anyway, that's all I can really say here, as this one and PATH OF DAGGERS are quite well blended together in my head now. (As I think they were meant to be.) I'm on to Book Nine tomorrow. I should begin work on Book Twelve before the end of the month at this rate.

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Ses commentaires sont vraiment très intéressants et jusqu'à présent, je suis d'accord avec tout ce qu'il dit.Je ne savais pas que certains avait été déçus par les tomes 7 et 8, que j'avais trouvé tout aussi bons que les précédents. Mais c'est surement dû au fait que j'ai lu la saga d'une seule traite jusqu'au tome 10, ce qui vient appuyer son analyse.
the scene in this book where Nynaeve overcomes her Block at the bottom of the river, while Lan races to save her, is one of my very favorite in the entire series. I felt that the foreshadowing of the events here worked perfectly, and the character growth for Nynaeve over the last few books has continued to grow her as one of my favorite (if not my very favorite) viewpoints to read.
Je suis bien contente de lire ça parce que moi aussi! :D

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J'adore !Dire qu'il suffit de lire les tomes à la suite pour qu'il n'y ait pas de problème de rythme, même pour un fan, je trouve ça un peu gros. :sifflote:

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Un peu gros en effet. Mais il ne fallait pas s'attendre à ce qu'il en dise autrement, ce ne serait pas vraiment dans son interêt et on peut se poser la question jusqu'à quel point va son objectivité/sincérité à ce sujet... :rolleyes:

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Un peu gros en effet.Mais il ne fallait pas s'attendre à ce qu'il en dise autrement, ce ne serait pas vraiment dans son interêt et on peut se poser la question jusqu'à quel point va son objectivité/sincérité à ce sujet... rolleyes
Je ne me souviens plus exactement quel évènement a lieu dans quel tome donc je ne peux pas vraiment argumenter sur l'existence (ou non) d'une différence de rythme mais je peux attester ne pas avoir ressenti de ralentissement, ceci expliquant peut être cela...Après, je ne suis pas sure non plus qu'il le dirait s'il avait trouvé un tome moins bon que les autres, mais je crois qu'on pourra juger de sa sincérité sur ce qu'il dira de CoT ;)

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Path of DaggersPosted on 03.12.08Categories: Wheel of TimeI found this volume a very quick read. Perhaps that's because of its slightly shorter length, but I also think it's because I'm settling into the newer system Mr. Jordan had for changing viewpoints. We've slid into the "Large chunk from a viewpoint, then very little from them for a long while" system. With novels this complex and lengthy, there are really only two ways to handle the viewpoints. The first is to switch very quickly, like George R. R. Martin prefers. This gets you a sense of fast pacing and lets you keep readers informed about characters by coming back to them frequently, but never for very long. The other is to do big swaths from one viewpoint. This slows the feel of the pacing, but you don't have to worry as much about readers keeping track of everyone, since you have time in each viewpoint to give lots of reminders about what is going on, then leave that viewpoint long enough that it doesn't matter how much readers remember--you can just remind them when you come back. A middle ground between these two extremes would probably be possible, but I'd worry about readers being able to follow what is going on, since you never stay long enough to give reminders, but you don't come back quickly enough to count on them simply remembering.Jordan's middle books followed the quick-moving method, but he's eased into the longer swath method here, which I think was a wise move. In truth, what we're doing in these later books is reading six or seven DIFFERENT books, but reading them in a serialized method. I think that with readers, expectation is a big deal. If you go into these later books expecting to read a book which focuses on a couple of main characters, you might be annoyed. However, I'm expecting an engaging epic which shows me a lot of different smaller stories combining to make the larger one. In that, I'm very satisfied. I think Jordan did a marvelous job with these. (Though, I do remember Book Ten maybe going just a tad father than I like with the numbers of side viewpoints.) Two things to note on this book in specific. First off, I love how the sections with Rand push him into his wild attack against the Seanchan. It shows how powerful and dangerous Rand is, yet at the same time gets across that he's still vulnerable and capable of being defeated. I've been waiting and waiting for him to use Callandor again and it was very fulfilling to see him pull it here, then have trouble using it. This is, as I recall, the first book which ends by Rand suffering a defeat. (Even if the Seanchan don't think they won either.)Secondly, I'm reminded of how annoying the Sea Folk are. They seem to be a burr in the side of pretty much every group of major characters from here to Book Eleven. That's nice, in a frustrating way. It's less that they themselves are annoying and that they represent a kind of impotence to the White Tower. I'm a little bit sad, personally, to see the Aes Sedai growing less and less in control as all of these other groups of channeling women show up and seem to have it together far more than the White Tower. (However, I wonder if this is just due to the fact that we see a lot more through Aes Sedai viewpoints. Perhaps the other groups wouldn't seem so 'together' if we saw as much from their eyes.) It also presents a lot more room for growth, which is nice for the narrative. The Aes Sedai have to pull themselves together and become what they were in lore in order to face the dark days that are coming. I just wish that so many of my favorite characters weren't getting bullied so often by the Sea Folk or the Kin. (Or, maybe this is all due to the fact that I think the Sea Folk totally took advantage of the whole Bowl of Winds thing. If they hadn't helped, the entire world might have starved and dried up. But instead of doing the honorable thing and helping in order to fight the Dark One and save lives, they insisted on an outrageous deal. They got to keep one of the most powerful artifacts in the world, AND got a whole bunch of privileges over the White Tower. They should be ashamed of themselves. Of course, on their side, if you CAN get away with it, then why not?)Also, one more note. I was really glad to read Winter's Heart and get Mat back! (If you're following along, I've actually finished Winter's Heart and am now reading Crossroads. I hope to finish both that and New Spring by the end of the week.)

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(Though, I do remember Book Ten maybe going just a tad father than I like with the numbers of side viewpoints.)
Et ben voilà, on y vient :D
Secondly, I'm reminded of how annoying the Sea Folk are(...)I just wish that so many of my favorite characters weren't getting bullied so often by the Sea Folk or the Kin.
Hear! Hear! C'est pour ce genre de choses que je pense que l'arrivée d'un fan, si longtemps lecteur extérieur à l'oeuvre peut se révéler bénéfique. Qu'il dise qu'il veut que Tuon arrète de maltraiter Mat et qu'elle descende de ses grands chevaux et je serai aux anges!NB: Sanderson vient répondre à certains des commentaires laissés sur son LJ, notamment sur les questions de rythme...

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Luthine a écrit :
(Though, I do remember Book Ten maybe going just a tad father than I like with the numbers of side viewpoints.)
Et ben voilà, on y vient :D
Secondly, I'm reminded of how annoying the Sea Folk are(...)I just wish that so many of my favorite characters weren't getting bullied so often by the Sea Folk or the Kin.
Hear! Hear! C'est pour ce genre de choses que je pense que l'arrivée d'un fan, si longtemps lecteur extérieur à l'oeuvre peut se révéler bénéfique. Qu'il dise qu'il veut que Tuon arrète de maltraiter Mat et qu'elle descende de ses grands chevaux et je serai aux anges!NB: Sanderson vient répondre à certains des commentaires laissés sur son LJ, notamment sur les questions de rythme...
En même temps, c'est son caractère de feu en acier trempé qui fait le personnage. ;)Mais je suis content qu'il émette quelques réserves sur le Sea Folk qui, en dépit de leur exotisme, posent problème à tout le monde sur le continent. Leurs coutumes étranges peuvent déconcerter et j'aime bien cependant leurs réactions en cas de confrontation entre la réalité et leur conception: ainsi jamais Tuon n'avouera qu'elle a tort!

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Et voilà son avis sur Winter's Heart :
WINTER'S HEARTPosted on 03.17.08Categories: Wheel of TimeFirst off, we've posted a new Writing Excuses Podcast: Flaws vs. Handicaps. Secondly, a reminder that the ELANTRIS hardcover sale ends this Friday.Now, a response to WoT Book Nine. As fans, we waited a long time for this book: The book where Saidin was to be cleansed. True, we've waited longer for the final book in the series, but I remember this one providing a very nice sense that the series WAS indeed moving. The cleansing of the One Power really did deserve its own book, and the battle at the end was a nice focal climax, tying together several different characters and plot lines into a single awesome event. I often wondered, when reading the early books as a youth, if Saidin WOULD get cleansed. I worried that the end of the series would come and the taint would still be in force, leaving the Asha'man to deal with being hunted and Gentled. As both a reader and a writer I found it immensely fulfilling to get this book, as I knew this event would change the series drastically. That's exciting because of the possibilities it opens up--possibilities for conflict and storytelling. How will the Aes Sedai, and the world, react to the realty that men channeling is no longer a terrible thing? I think the fact that we didn't get to see this reaction in Book Ten (as hoped) lead to a lot of the disgruntlement people felt with that particular volume.However, we're here to talk about Book Nine. Reading it as an author and the one who is going to help complete this series, I see things differently now. I love how the events of cleansing the male half of the power drive this book. By having Rand announce up front what he intends to do, Mr. Jordan creates an expectation and a kind of narrative 'time bomb' for the readers. Will it happen? Won't it happen? This is very different from what authors normally do--my first instinct, for instance, would have been to keep Rand's plan a secret for a large chunk of the book, then have a dramatic reveal. Yet, that would have had a much different effect, narratively, and I like how Mr. Jordan did it here. The plotting method I mentioned above would work for the first or second book of a series, but for book nine, I see the initial declaration as a move of honesty on Mr. Jordan's part. In a way, it's saying this: "Look, I know you've followed this series for a long, long time. I'm here to promise you that something incredible is going to happen here in this book." The joy for us as readers turns from trying to guess the plot to instead anticipation of what we hope will come at the end. Instead of "What will Rand do?" (A mystery plot) we get a "Will he succeed?" (an action adventure plot.) That made this book immensely satisfying, and allowed him to use Rand's plans as a focus for the entire book.The other item I'd like to note here is that we get Mat back, which is very nice. As I've often said in these reaction pieces, I feel that this series is much larger than just one character--even Rand. The pleasure of the books lies in watching the interweaving and growth of the various participants. That said, Mat is a nice counter-balancing force for the stories, and he adds a lot to them. An edge of humor, a feeling of a guy who is still--somehow--an underdog rather than a powerful political or militaristic force unto himself. The three male leads work very well together, and when we have a book with all three of them, I think it helps the pacing and flow a lot. Perrin can be deliberate and thoughtful, Mat spontaneous and glib, and Rand almost more of a force of nature than a person. Anyway, I finished off NEW SPRING today and will begin Book Eleven this evening.

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The joy for us as readers turns from trying to guess the plot to instead anticipation of what we hope will come at the end. Instead of "What will Rand do?" (A mystery plot) we get a "Will he succeed?" (an action adventure plot.) That made this book immensely satisfying, and allowed him to use Rand's plans as a focus for the entire book.
Très bonne analyse, je pense que c'est pour cela que ce tome est vraiment l'un des meilleurs de la série. On sait / suppose comment cela va finir, mais le mystère est de savoir s'il va réussir. Un vrai challenge, c'est beaucoup plus épique et dynamique comme construction.Bref plus je lis les analyses de Sanderson, plus j'espère qu'il fera un travail satisfaisant sur le dernier tome.

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Et voilà ::arrow: http://www.elbakin.net/fantasy/news/690 ... e-Du-Temps
Crossroads of TwilightPosted on 03.25.08Categories: Wheel of TimeAll right, I have to establish something before I get into my discussion of this book. First off, I've never been one who complained about the length of these books or the lack of motion in them. Like many fans who feel as I do, I would go along with others in conversations, giving a non-committal grunt when they lapsed into bashing the Wheel of Time for having grown too slow. But inside, I always thought "I think they're still as fun to read as they always were. Beyond that, why are you reading them if you always complain about them?" Anyway, it often wouldn't be worth arguing to me. (I still would sometimes on forums, however, and soon learned that that wouldn't get me anywhere.)Now I'm the person who has become the visible face for the Wheel of Time series, and now it IS my job--in my opinion--to defend them. So, I want to talk about Book Eleven and say straight out that I really do think it's as enjoyable as the rest of the books in the series. (By my own admission above, however, I am biased. I'm both a long-time fan of the series and the person working on book twelve.)I know that readers feel that this book was too slow. The novel has one and a half stars on Amazon (and one star is the lowest possible.) I realize this, logically, but I have trouble seeing it myself. Perhaps people's complaints with this book has to do with the sense of narrative style. Mr. Jordan chose to jump back in time and show the timeframe in Book Nine over and over again from different viewpoints. However, this has always been one of the features of the series, and I--as a writer--was very interested in the format of this book. Rand's cleansing of the taint formed a wonderful focus around which everything in this book could revolve, much in the way that he as a person pulls at threads in the Pattern and forces them to weave around him.I particularly enjoyed Mat's sections in this book. I find myself growing more and more interested in his plot, and am picking him as my favorite character of late. I really enjoy his interactions with Tuon, and they have an interesting relationship, as both know that they're fated to marry. (Or, at least, he knows and she's very suspicious.) As a side note, however, I feel that the covers for this one and book nine are reversed. Book Nine was more important to Mat, and this book is more important to Perrin. Yet the covers imply the opposite. I digress.In truth, I have a lot of trouble understanding what people found boring about this book, yet at the same time exciting about Book Eleven. The two--like all of the recent books in the series--very much seem to be chapters in a much longer book, all blending together and flowing as one. Perhaps it comes from us not being able to actually SEE characters react to the cleansing, as they don't know what happened yet--they only know that something big happened. But, then, that's an issue in book eleven--and the complaints in reviews rarely, if ever, mention this item. In the end, I guess it has to come down to people's dislike of the Perrin/Faile plot. (But, once again, Perrin has always been one of my favorites, if not my favorite, characters in the book. So, his sequences are always fun for me.)This plot is interesting because it offers Perrin a chance to change in a different direction--and, I think, in an important direction. His wife's imprisonment forces him to face some of the darkness in himself, and it is what finally spurs him to give up the axe. Those are important events--he needs to be forced to admit that he has begun to like fighting and killing. Confronting that aspect of himself is what will give him the strength to lead into Book Twelve.Anyway, I didn't intend this to be an extended defense of the book, but that's what it came out to be. It's now been over a week since I finished it, and while there is much more I could write, I think it's time to let the blog post end for now. The big news is that I'm done with my read through. In fact, I officially began writing on Book Twelve this afternoon.There was a powerful moment there for me when I got to write those words "The Wheel of Time turns. . . ." Mr. Jordan, despite his preparations for the book, didn't actually write those words that have started each book in the series. I guess he figured he didn't need to, since they've been the same since book one. He knew that his time might come soon, so he focused on more important scenes.That left me being able to write the opening paragraph to chapter one. (Though, of course, there will be a prologue. While those words won't start the book, I decided that they would be the way that I started work on it.)It has begun.

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Ah, il manque encore ses remarques sur KOD (Knife of Dreams). C'est vrai que Sanderson est dans une position pas facile (euphémisme) puisque c'est le disciple qui doit continuer et défendre l'oeuvre du maître et en même temps il livre des remarques critiques sur chaque volume. J'ai bien aimé sa remarque sur le "reversi" Mat / Perrin pour les couvertures/contenu des tomes 9 / 10 :)Très intéressant, cette manière de communiquer avec les fans. ça permet de continuer de susciter de l'intérêt pour WOT en attendant le fameux MOL (Memory of Light :p ), ça me donne même envie de refeuilleter la série "juste comme ça" :D

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Il a déjà lu ce qu'il lui manquait en fait. :)
Defining SurrealPosted on 03.27.08Categories: A Memory of Light Wheel of TimePeople ask me if working on this book is surreal. Before, I always said yes, but I don't think it really hit me HOW strange this is until these last few days. Yesterday evening, I pulled out the electronic versions of the novels that Mr. Jordan's assistant sent with me when I left Charleston. I combined them all into a single word document to use in searching. (It clocks in at 9,300 pages and about 3 million words, if you're curious.) Using Microsoft Word's search features, I can call up all sorts of useful information from the entire series at the touch of a few keys. (By the way, thanks for sending those electronic files, Alan! You thought of this a full three months before I ended up needing them. I guess that's the sign of an excellent assistant.)In compiling this document and setting a few bookmarks at important points (mostly the beginning of each book) I hesitated at the copyright statement of CROWN OF SWORDS. He's a book I read over ten years ago, a book by an author I idolized. A distant and unapproachable figure, a hero himself, the one spearheading the epic fantasy movement of my era. And now I have a copy of the original file he typed and I'm working on finishing his last book. That, my friends, seems to DEFINE the world surreal to me. I was shocked the first time the people at Tor called this a collaboration. By publishing terms, I guess that's indeed what it is--a collaboration, where two authors work on a single novel. But to me, the term just felt strange. Collaborating with Robert Jordan seemed to set me too high in the process. I'm finishing the Master's work for him, since he is unable to. I kind of feel like Sam, carrying Frodo the last few paces up the mountain. Robert Jordan did all the work; for most of these twenty years, I've only been an observer. I'm just glad I could be here to help for the last stretch when I was needed.For those of you who wondered, I HAVE read Knife of Dreams and New Spring, but I haven't yet posted blog reactions to them. I read faster than I could keep up on the blog. (I've often noted that I'm really not that great a blogger.) I'll post reactions to these books as I go. For now, I need to get back to Book Twelve.

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Il répète un peu trop à l'envi qu'il se sent inférieur au Grand Maître et qu'il est indigne de lui succéder. Qu'il prenne un peu confiance en lui pour nous ressortir le style emphatique que nous aimions tant. :)