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Posté : dim. 20 oct. 2002 07:17
par Invité
:eek Ca fait super "bourrin", mais ça pourrait être grandiose. Mais tout ça en un seul tome, ça me paraît utopique au possible !

Posté : dim. 20 oct. 2002 12:28
par Invité
Alors c'est ça la Tarmon Gaidon !! :eek "And when he is ready the Dragon will gather that strength - and strike at the heart of the Dark One." Oula, Shayol Ghul va être rasé de la carte de Randland ! :D

Posté : lun. 21 oct. 2002 04:28
par Invité
Hum, ça fait fin bâclée tout ça. Allez, tous ensembles, on oublie nos différents et on va casser du méchant. ;)

Posté : jeu. 24 oct. 2002 01:46
par Invité
C'est vrai que la Dernière Alliance, c'est beaucoup plus élaboré comme concept...

Posté : mer. 20 nov. 2002 08:57
par Gillossen
www.tor.com/sampleCrossroads.html C'était plutôt à poster ici Zébulon. :) Et pour l'avoir lu... Il y a Mat, donc, c'est un bon chapitre. ;)

Posté : mer. 4 déc. 2002 08:39
par Gillossen
Pas vraiment de spoiler, mais...
The Beginning of the End After reading Crossroads of Twilight, the 10th book in Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series, I am pretty confident about one thing: this really is the beginning of the end. In some ways, the first 9 books seem to be three trilogies packed together, and if that is the case, then Book 10 is the start of the final round. And what a ride it's going to be. The Last Battle is definitely coming. The wolves smell it in the air. Dreamers see it at night. The dead walk the land. The twilight of the current Age is here. And the weevils are loose. Yes, the Light save us, the weevils are running wild! Overall impression I'm not going to kid anybody. I'm a die-hard fan of this series just like you are and I had the same worries that you probably have. I have enjoyed all 9 books, but I do think the pace slowed down after Lord of Chaos. So let me get it out now: This Book is GREAT. It picks up the pace once more and things are happening. Is this book exciting? Yes. Do we learn a lot of new facts? Yes. A lot. Does this book actually advance the plot? Yes.... Many of you have probably already read the prologue, "Glimmers of the Pattern", and chapter one, "Time to be Gone." Those two are available online and have been getting us all warmed up for the other 500+ pages. (My "Uncorrected Proof" was 680 pages, not including the Glossary) After those first chapters, and for the first half of the book, RJ does a nice job of keeping things interesting by making the book haunting. We're given subtle clues and signs that The End is coming. The middle part of the book slows down however, and my only complaint comes from that fact (see below). But right after the middle 4 or 5 chapters, it sets off at a gallop and never looks back. All of the characters are moving. They Hunt or are hunted. Every page was interesting, and I stayed up far too late at night trying to pound through this book. Let me go over some more details. Again, there's no real spoilers below, but there are references to which characters are in the book. I won't give anything away. Consider yourself warned though. The Bad Stuff I have a love/hate relationship with Elayne. She's always been my favorite of the major female characters. I think that her journey from being a spoiled rich girl to mighty Aes Sedai & Queen is fascinating. I've cheered her on when other fans wanted to skip onto the battles or read more about Mat. But, it's been hard lately to cheer for her. For three books straight now, she's been in Caemlyn and playing politics. It's fascinating, but can be really sluggish. I find the intrigue to be detailed and interesting, but it reads slowly and there's not much action happening other than her walking around and reading people's glares and sniffs. It wouldn't be so bad if the chapters were mixed up a little bit, but with her storyline, all of the chapters are in a row, one after another. The rest of the book mixes things up a bit more and we trade between the other major characters. Elayne is seen only in 4 or 5 consecutive chapters and they all blur together. The frustrating thing is that, when you get down to it, a conclusion is still not made. Big progress occurs towards her goal, but no resolution. As I said though, her story is a good one. It's long enough and good enough to be it's own novel. I still enjoy reading about her and her struggles to become Queen. Despite this slower part of the book, she's still my favorite female character, and I hope she becomes Queen. Soon. That's my only real complaint about the book. And looking back, after having read the entire thing and seeing a larger picture, that is very forgivable. Well, my other complaint is the lack of one of the major characters, but we're all use to them taking a vacation. I won't say who though. The Good Stuff What I loved most about this book was the sense of urgency that was in it. The main characters are knee deep in worries and the odds are mounting against them. When people are desperate, they do desperate things. Our ta'veren friends get to that point. Perrin fans: You're going to see a side of Perrin we've never seen before. I dropped my jaw near the end of the novel. Egwene is the one who makes this novel great. She shines and steals the show. Being absent from the previous book, she's a little overdue for some page time. Her chapters are loaded with new insight into Aes Sedai, the White Tower, and the new tricks they've learned. It's wonderful to read about Egwene's emotional journey in this book, and how it all ties together in the book's climax. As far as that is concerned, expect a type of ending that is different from any other type of ending in the series so far. (Despite how badly I want to chat with all of you about this right now, I will keep my mouth shut about what happens. All I will say is that it's nothing anybody has ever predicted) Strange things are happening in the land, and there are lots of small clues you can pick up on to figure it all out. Leigh Butler, the Keeper of the WoT FAQ website, is going to have a lot of work on her hands piecing all this new stuff together. Oh, and Mat fans: you're going to love this book. RJ is at the top of his game with him. Conclusion If you are a casual fan of The Wheel of Time, you'll enjoy this book because the story picks up the pace again. The end seems like it could be approaching. Yes, I plan to have paid off my college loans before it's done (I started reading in High School), but it's all about the Journey and not the Destination, right? If you're a WoT geek who hangs out at sites like Dragonmount all day, then this book is going to give you lots and lots to talk about. RJ starts some new plot-lines but you can see that it is actually coming together nicely. I'll confess: I was really worried about this book. The last few books were enjoyable and cool, but they didn't capture me like The Eye of the World or The Great Hunt did. I was beginning to accept that it would be a slow ride to the end, followed by a big battle and that's that. Crossroads of Twilight has turned that spark back into a roaring flame. I loved this book. It reminded me of how much I enjoy reading this series. If you're one of those fans who has said that they hide their WoT books when their George Martin friends come over, then get ready to dust them off and show them with pride. (And shame on you for doing that to begin with!) :-P As the wolves would say: The Last Hunt is coming. Brothers and sisters, January 7th is coming.

Posté : mer. 4 déc. 2002 09:25
par Gropoil
Le gars semble enthousiaste....on verra.... Il y a une chose qu'il dit dans son article c'est qu'un des personnages principaux ne sera pas là (une des choses qui m'énarve avec Jordan!!!). Il ne dit pas qui, mais il parle de Mat, Perrin, Elayne, Egwene, et Rand ne peut pas ne pas être là.....alors....Nynaeve...?.....donc Lan aussi....? En tout cas....si Jordan peut retrouver le tempo des premiers livres avec celui-ci, il retrouvera peut être sa place dans mon coeur....

Posté : ven. 13 déc. 2002 03:22
par Gillossen
As many of you are, I'm sure, aware, I was one of those lucky souls that was blessed by the Light enough to receive an advanced, uncorrected copy of CoT from Tor. It was my first chance to read an advance copy of a book, so this was kinda cool. This advance copy of CoT I got was 680 pages, plus a glossary. Before I continue... I was asked by the good people of Tor not to spoil any of the story. It's kinda tough to review a book without at least saying who was in the book, so if you don't even want to know that much, get out of this review now. That said, I'm going to do my best not to reveal anything specific about the plot. What fun would that be for you all, right? Okay, let's get rolling! For those who wonder what I think of WoT in general, I'd have to say TSR is probably my favorite book, though LoC would be a close second. Like a lot of others around here, I wasn't thrilled with the pace of the series in ACoS or PoD. WH, at least in my opinion, seemed to turn that around, and what an ending! The cleansing of saidin at Shadar Logoth was (in many ways) the most significant event in WoT to this point. CoT, I think, lives up to that ending by continuing to move the series along to its conclusion in a lively manner. Overall, I really liked CoT a great deal. For those who have felt their dedication to WoT flagging a bit, I think this might be just what the doctor ordered. I only had two real issues with the book, but I'll get to those in a second. First, the positives! I enjoyed what Jordan did with some of his characters in this book, things I never would have expected. Perrin, for example, does something near the end of the book that surprised me a great deal, he acted rather out of character given what we know of Perrin. And in the story he realizes that what he did was inconsistent with his personality, and we see that from his point of view. He is disgusted with himself. It is something, that to me, was different from Jordan and I liked it. There is also some great material in these books for future theorizing. Some are plot related, others are more related to "the nature of things." Every once in a while when I read WoT I feel like Jordan tosses in something just to beat a particular point into our heads, like some stubborn fans haven't gotten a certain theory under control yet. There is certainly an instance of that in CoT related to Mat, at least in my eyes. On the topic of Mat, his sections are especially good in CoT. There are some characters I have a love/hate relationship with in WoT, and two of them are certainly Faile and Egwene. In CoT, I was mostly liking everything these two characters did. Going back to an earlier point, party of the story line related to Faile takes a twist I would not have expected - but that's something I like, and I liked the twist Jordan tossed our way. Egwene's management of the revel Aes Sedai is interesting, and I enjoyed reading her pieces of CoT. The ending of the book is truly fantastic (in a different way than the end of WH), and was a great way to end CoT. Okay, I wouldn't be fair if I didn't tell you everything that I thought of the book. That'd be a pretty lousy review, right? A lot of people don't like Elayne, and compared to Rand's other two women, I can certainly see why she can be tough to handle. She's a little overly-noblish, sometimes... Anyway, her piece of the book is the one point where I thought CoT dragged a bit. A chapter of hers would end and I was just kinda hoping the next chapter would be from another character's point of view. Any character's point of view. My only other complaint is that a good chunk of CoT takes place during the battle for Shadar Logoth. Not surprisingly, women all over the world could feel Nynaeve channeling through the Choedan Kal. Every major plot line includes female channelers, so we know how much of the book takes place during the battle at Shadar Logoth. This isn't to say the story doesn't get advanced throughout CoT, but in some ways in the back of my head it was driving me insane to realize how much of the book took place during the same stretch of time that comprised the end of WH. Those last two points are minor nitpicks, really. I definitely enjoyed CoT, and I can't imagine a diehard fan who won't love it. And for those who have expressed losing their interest in WoT... I think CoT, in a lot of ways, gets back to its roots here. While not my favorite book in the series, I think it fits in fell with the majority of WoT. CoT is a solid book in what is undoubtedly one of the best fantasy series going!
Alors, Henki, Zébulon, et les autres, vous en pensez quoi à la fin ?

Posté : ven. 13 déc. 2002 05:41
par Sir Hill
Moi j'en pense que si je n'arrive pas à me procurer le tome 10 dans le mois qui arrive je vais finir par craquer nerveusement. :b et vive Mat!

Posté : ven. 13 déc. 2002 06:47
par Zébulon
faudrait déjà que je lise le tome 9 :( (je sais ça fait deux ans que je l'ai :o

Posté : sam. 14 déc. 2002 12:34
par Invité
Et moi encore pire que toi Zeb, il faudrait que j'entame La Montée des Orages !! :o : Contrairement à l'heureux possesseur de cet exemplaire de CoT, je trouve que le choix de Jordan de mener une partie du récit de Crossroads au même moment où le climax de Winter's Heart se dénoue est excellent, propice à engendrer pas mal de jubilation : imaginez la réaction d'un Padan Fain ou d'un Demandred apprenant que la "Souillure" a été annihilée... :D Personnellement, je me demande surtout si à l'instar de Martin, RJ va faire disparaitre l'un de ces héros ou héroines... :(

Posté : sam. 21 déc. 2002 02:42
par Naemon Chevalier Dragon
A force de lire les sujets de taille monstrueuse sur Jordan, je me suis dit qu'une série qui suscitait autant de polémiques ne pouvait pas être complètement nulle. Alors, voilà, c'est fait, j'ai commandé le premier tome en VO. Ca rassure de savoir que la série touche à sa fin, 12 tomes ça me paraît tt à fait honnête :b Je vous tiendrai au courant si je développe le virus de la jordanite aiguë dans les prochains mois. Et juste pr rire, une petite question: alors, Jordan, c'est vraiment bien? (et après l'accalmie les débats reprirent de plus belle...). :evil

Posté : dim. 5 janv. 2003 11:19
par ronit
mais pas nouvelle fan de jordan je l'ai découvert il ya maintenant prés de 3 ans et ça m'a pas vraiment aidé pour mes études mais bon j'avais attendu prés de 6 mois pour winter's heart et là ça fait 2 ans pour la suite c long! :b mais bon puisqu'apparament on voit Mat (peut-être se dépatouillé avec Tuon, ça semblait bien parti) et enfin un peu d'action avec Egwene ça valait la peine d'attendre

Posté : mar. 7 janv. 2003 10:11
par Gillossen
Ca fait une semaine qu'on le trouve en Angleterre... Alors, qui l'a ? :)

Posté : sam. 11 janv. 2003 12:10
par Naemon Chevalier Dragon
Je suis impatiente de lire vos réactions sur le 10e Jordan. Pensez donc, je suis en train de lire le premier, j'aimerais savoir si ça tient la route sur les neuf suivants. :) En tout cas, J'ai accroché à The Eye of the World, très agréable à lire, dommage que j'aie lu autant de spoilers sur le forum. ;)

Posté : dim. 12 janv. 2003 09:40
par marvin rouge
J'en suis qu'au tome 8, mais j'ai vu le 10 chez la père Gibert à Paname....230 balles le bouquins ca fait cher quand même :( , j'attendrais qu'il sorte en format poche...

Posté : sam. 18 janv. 2003 11:18
par Invité
Je l'ai parcouru aujourd'hui, j'en reste coi :eek J'ai notamment lu un passage particulièrement terrible... :D Tant pis pour les spoilers, en ce qui me concerne en tout cas. Cela dit, il n'est effectivement pas à la portée de toutes les bourses, malgré une couverture splendide, Mat ayant vraiment une sacrée clique qui l'accompagne :P Vivement le poche de Tor :)

Posté : dim. 19 janv. 2003 08:34
par Gillossen
La version anglaise m'ira tout autant. :)

Posté : ven. 24 janv. 2003 01:38
par Invité
Je viens de terminer ce dixième volume de Robert Jordan et je ne peux m'empêcher d'être déçu en le comparant à winter's heart. Certes, le style de l'auteur est toujours aussi sublime, mais je trouve que l'histoire de certains personnages n'avance pas (surtout celle de Perrin et Elayne) et l'auteur nous laisse frustré à la fin car c'est là que les évênements s'accélèrent. Ah, dire qu'il va falloir attendre deux ans et demi pour lire la suite! Sinon j'ai adoré les chapitres avec Mat.

Posté : ven. 24 janv. 2003 05:01
par Nievel
C’est vrai que la fin est frustrante. Par contre j’ai trouvé l’évolution de la relation Tuon/Mat un peu trop facile.