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Posté : ven. 6 juin 2003 13:50
par Gillossen
Faut être malade pour remarquer et compiler tout ça ! :lol: Certaines sont évidentes, d'autres demandent sans doute d'avoir vu le film 50 fois, et d'autres encore complètement farfelues. ;)Bon courage à ceux qui iront jusqu'au bout de la lecture. :) Evidemment, ce n'est pas de moi, et c'est en anglais. [quote]THE PROLOGUE1 ) When the New Line logo appears, you can hear the same ringing sound the One Ring makes throughout the film! VERY COOL!2 ) In the film and soundtrack there are chapter titles from The Fellowship of the Ring and The Hobbit are worked into story - From the soundtrack: "The Shadow of the Past"; "The Treason of Isengard"; "The Black Rider"; "A Knife in the Dark"; "Flight to the Ford"; "Many Meetings"; "The Council of Elrond"; "The Ring Goes South"; "A Journey in the Dark"; "The Great River"; "Amon Hen"; "The Breaking of the Fellowship"--From the film: "A Long-Expected Party"; "Shortcut to Mushrooms"; "The Bridge of Khazad-dum"; "Lothlorien"; "Mount Doom"; "Strider"; shows the "Sign of the Prancing Pony"--and From The Hobbit; "Riddles in the Dark"; "Not at Home"; "Concerning Hobbits."3 ) The three Ringbearers you see at the beginning of the film are the ORIGINAL three (i.e. Galadriel, Gil-Galad and Cirdan)4 ) Only the Elves wear their Rings, and these Rings are not taken by Sauron (ref: The Silmarillion); all the Elves wear their rings on the middle finger while Sauron wears his Ring on the Finger of Ego, the Index Finger; The Dwarves inspect their rings then hold their Rings away from them; the Men keep their rings close to them. They are the only group which stares straight ahead like Zombies.5 ) The Kings in the prologue stand forming a "V" shape (same formation when they are chasing Arwen as Ringwraiths)6 ) John Howe and Alan Lee are two of the kings shown in the prologue (second from the end of each row)7 ) At the beginning of the Battle of the Last Alliance, Elendil is carrying Narsil upright before him (a theme repeated throughout the film).8 ) In the Last Alliance scenes there are some very tall, wavy banners--nothing too significant, but such a neat, nifty touch.9 ) Elendil's helm is the same as the one at the Argonath.10 ) There are seven stars on Isildur’s breastplate (also shows in the mural at Rivendell)11 ) At the Battle of the Last Alliance, the elven archers shoot through the first rank of Elves holding spears.12 ) Sauron's high spikes on its helm are mimicked by the Nazgul's crowns (seen at Weathertop). They resemble the top of Barad-dur Tower.13 ) When Sauron wears the ring, it's bright and the inscription is visible and glowing read (disappears when he loses it)14 ) Sauron is wielding a mace.15 ) When Sauron is whacking everyone with his mace, you can see the white tree of Gondor on the shields as they spin through the air.16 ) Isildur seems to be the only left-handed guy in the whole movie.17 ) Some of the stitching on Isildur's glove is broken (Base of thumb when he's holding the ring)18 ) There are many uses of "round" patterns during the prologue: rings of water rippling in a pool, a shot of trees seen from the view of spinning slowly beneath the branches, the flaming ball of the sun sinking below the horizon. The scenes invoke the passage of time but also the round shape of the ring. Later, when Frodo senses the Ringwraith on the road we see a sort of ring-like dilation effect of the scenery. (Maybe portraying the power of the ring reaching out to the riders or the rider is invisible)19 ) Isildur, who was succumbing to the power of the ring, is shot by three arrows in the back which is later echoed by Boromir being shot by three arrows to the chest.20 ) Bilbo is wearing Sting in the prologue when he finds the Ring (though he had not yet named it).CONCERNING HOBBITS21 ) **Bilbo makes reference to Sept. 22, 1400 S.R. (3000 ) (in the book it's 1401 S.R. (3001 )) and Frodo leaves in 1418 S.R. (3018 ) (not referenced in the film…yet). This brings the timeline into the story.22 ) **There is a sheaf of papers propped up on an easel beside Bilbo’s desk - they appear to be RSVP’s to the party!23 ) **The hobbit carrying (and drinking from) a barrel of ale on his shoulder, the label on the barrel reads "Golden Perch", which those who know their Tolkien will recognize as the inn in Stock which was reputed to have the best beer in the Eastfarthing.24 ) **Sam is in the garden working in the Shire25 ) **The music now accompanies Gandalf's singing as he drives his cart down the road to Hobbiton.26 ) **The door to Bilbo's study has straight sides and a rounded top, not completely round like the other doors of Bag End.27 ) **While frantically searching for the ring, Bilbo searches the pockets of his black traveling, then throws it down on the floor.28 ) **Bilbo makes a gollum(ish) sound when he finds the ring in his vest and brings it up to his face.29 ) **There’s a family tree over the fireplace in Bilbo’s study.30 ) The wizards, as we geekier types know, were all Maiar, the lesser of the two kinds of spirits who sang the world into existence before the beginning of time. So what's Gandalf doing when we first see him? Singing.31 ) Gandalf's silver (grey) scarf is hanging from the lamp of the cart when coming to Hobbiton32 ) When Gandalf approaches Hobbiton and when Bilbo leaves the Shire, they're singing "The Road Goes Ever On".33 ) Frodo left his book behind when meeting Gandalf. Perhaps he was at his favorite reading spot. Then jumped off the cart to possibly return to his book and more reading (politely giving Gandalf and Bilbo time alone)34 ) When Frodo runs up to Gandalf as he stops the cart and they try to stare each other down...Frodo wins. Gandalf breaks first. Is Frodo stronger, or was Gandalf so relaxed he didn't give a rip? Looks like something they do every time they first meet. "A wizard is never late, Frodo Baggypants..."35 ) When Frodo was riding in the wagon with Gandalf, he said: "…we never had any adventures or did anything unexpected." This is from the first page of The Hobbit, describing the Baggins family.36 ) Most of the hobbits are happy to see Gandalf when he arrives in Hobbiton. They wave and call out to him.37 ) There's a yellow parrot in a cage in the square of Hobbiton as Gandalf and Frodo ride through in the cart.38 ) The Hobbiton markets have large bundles of tobacco leaf hanging upside-down.39 ) Gandalf tips his hat at the townsfolk as he rides with Frodo through Hobbiton.40 ) Gandalf's wagon could barely fit onto the narrow hobbit roads and bridge.41 ) There's a road sign where the road forks.42 ) The seat of Frodo's velvet-like pants are worn appropriately.43 ) The notice at Bilbo's gate is attached with four nails. They have a special square head, and today they are used mainly for attaching horseshoes to their hoofs.44 ) On the sign at Bilbo's gate, the marks above the vowels are the Tehtar symbols for those vowels in Quenya and Sindarin. And on the sign being raised at Bilbo's party, while the lettering style is similar, those vowel-marks aren't present -- because the hobbit who made it wouldn't know them, of course! Also, from what I've seen of the extended DVD footage, it looks like Bilbo includes the Tehtar symbols in writing "There and Back Again."45 ) The fence and gate at Bag End is knee high to Gandalf but chest high to the hobbits46 ) Gandalf bangs on Bilbo's front door with his staff, which irritated Bilbo to no end in The Hobbit47 ) When Gandalf is rapping on Bilbo's door you can see a small pouch hanging off the larger pouch he carries at his side (in one of the DVD specials, it’s hanging off his staff).48 ) Bag End's front door has the knob in the center on the outside, but the inside latch is on the right-hand side of the door.49 ) There is a bird house in Bilbo's front yard (next to the bench)50 ) The doorbell is to the left of the door to Bag End, and when Gandalf enters, you’ll see the bell to the right of the door, which is exactly where it should be.51 ) In Bag End, there is dust on the floor in the places with no traffic52 ) The entrance and hallway looks EXACTLY like the John Howe illustration made years before, down to the smallest details, including the wooden beam and the chandelier Gandalf hits his head on...53 ) There are large pinecones lying around throughout Bag End.54 ) Thror's map of the Lonely Mountain is still mounted in its frame from hanging on the wall.55 ) Gandalf seems like a wanderer (the pilgrim) finally coming home by the way he looks about Hobbiton and Bag End drinking in every little detail. Probably the closest thing to "coming home" he experiences during his time in Middle Earth.56 ) Gandalf chuckles to himself after hitting his head on the ceiling beam at Bag End (it’s endearing to him)57 ) In Bag End, there's clutter all around even little doodads on the wainscoting58 ) After Gandalf arrives at Bag End, Bilbo runs about offering him food Gandalf requested in The Hobbit. Gandalf turned down the tea in The Hobbit, but now he wants... "Just tea, thank you."59 ) There are oversized carrots in the kitchen corner in Bag-End, and in Merry's hand after they fall down the hill, and Pippin's pocketsesss.60 ) Some relative (Lobelia Sackville-Baggins ?) knocking on the door when Bilbo and Gandalf are talking, despite the message about no admittance except on party business posted on the gate61 ) On the fireplace in Bag-end: it's odd that a hobbit's fireplace would have a decorative motif of reeds (looks like cat-tail's) since hobbits don't like water as a rule. Could it be this reed design is a reference to something else: the Ring being pulled out of the river?62 ) The pictures above Bilbo's mantelpiece are of his parents, but they're actually pictures of Peter Jackson (without his beard) and Fran Walsh (Peter's partner and co-screenwriter).63 ) Bilbo needs both hands to lift the kettle, Frodo only uses one.64 ) There are candles on the walls. Where the walls are curved, there are dark marks above where the candle smoke has discolored them.65 ) Perhaps a sign of prosperity... there are candles lit EVERYWHERE at Bag End. Even in rooms not being used.66 ) There are many homey touches in Bilbo's kitchen. There's pudding with a slice taken out on the table; a hairbrush on the window ledge; a knife resting across jelly/honey jar on the windowsill.67 ) Gandalf tries to tuck his legs under the kitchen table at Bag End. He keeps knocking his knees.68 ) Bilbo chuckles to himself when he muses that Frodo would probably "come with me if I asked him." His voice is soft as he talks about the woods, the fields, the little rivers (almost with regret)69 ) Bilbo’s hands and fingernails are clean and well-kept, just like landed gentry’s hands should be.70 ) The pointy tops of Bilbo's chair by his fireplace looks like Rivendell style architecture -- specifically like the top of the "church/clock tower looking" spire.71 ) There's a smoke "stain" over the hearth at Bag End.72 ) Bag End door keys are hanging on the mantle.73 ) There are pegs along the hallway wall with cloaks and coats hanging from them (referencing the Hobbit as the dwarves arrive)74 ) The roots from the tree above are a part of Bag End's interior.75 ) In Bilbo's clutter, there are papers hanging out of the closed cupboard doors (as if the doors were slammed shut before the papers could fall out) and books and papers are piled everywhere.76 ) Bilbo's black travel jacket is on the back of his chair (most notable when Gandalf picks up the map of the Lonely Mountain), he puts it on after the party77 ) There's a scroll tied with ribbon on the trim above the mantle of Bag End (a will?)78 ) Bilbo keeps the One Ring in his bottom pockets of his coat, while Frodo either has it on a chain or in his top pocket of his vest (closer to his heart).79 ) Bilbo and Gandalf are sitting on the bench outside Bag End's open front door when blowing smoke rings.80 ) After he blows his smoke ring, Bilbo watches Gandalf expectantly- they’ve done this before.81 ) As in The Hobbit, Bilbo blows simple smoke rings and Gandalf blows intricate shapes that go through the rings.82 ) Gandalf's smoke ship resembles an elven ship (swan-shaped bow--possibly like one at the Grey Havens?)A LONG EXPECTED PARTY83 ) The fireworks tree at Bilbo's party bursts into a shower of flowers (as in the book)84 ) Gandalf leaves his hat on while shooting fireworks; it is otherwise off during party85 ) Merry is jumping and bouncing leading the two hobbits carrying Bilbo’s cake in over the heads of the hobbits sitting at tables.86 ) Bilbo's cake is on fire!87 ) You can see Sam sitting and watching as the cake passes (when the hobbits lift the cake up high, he’s sitting right from underneath smoking his pipe)88 ) Frodo is the first one out ready to start dancing!89 ) Gandalf neatly combs his hair and beard for Bilbo's party (brings beard to a point at the bottom)90 ) One of the birthday party band members is wearing a kilt.91 ) Bilbo welcomes Fatty Bolger to his party (shakes hands with him)92 ) Bilbo works the party crowd and dresses like an aristocratic politician.**There are two references highlighting the Bracegirdles (Lobelia Sacksville-Bagginses family)… Once when Bilbo says of Frodo, "He's a Baggins! Not some block-headed Bracegirdle from Hardbottle." and when he reacts to the Bracegirdle momma with all the children, "My, you have been productive!"93 ) Shire folk have long, curved, dark pipes (Gandalf influenced--he has one, too) while outsiders (Strider, Gimli) have short, light-colored, straight pipes.94 ) Rosie and Frodo are dancing next to Gandalf's doing a jig (way to the left of the screen, almost out of shot)95 ) Merry's standing on the stage with the band (how CAN you miss that yellow waistcoat!) talking to Pippin -- and Pippin is sitting in with the band playing a banjo (can also see him when Bilbo's cake is carried in) [addendum] Looking closer what Pippin has is a mandolin neck (it has eight strings) with a banjo body. Same tuning as a mandolin, different sound. That's not what was recorded though.96 ) Even at his own birthday party, "Uncle" Bilbo is drawn to the children and tells them stories97 ) When Bilbo is telling his Troll tale, the little hobbit children are wide-eyed and excited but the older ones behind are merely amused--they've heard it all before!98 ) Two of the hobbit children to whom Bilbo tells his story are credited as 'Cute Hobbit Children', and are listed as Katie and Billy Jackson, who are Peter and Fran's kids99 ) There's a hobbit roaring drunk at Bilbo's party hanging off the keg! (had to add to list cuz it's too cool!)100 ) Gandalf lights off his fireworks with his staff.101 ) The fireworks do a lot to develop our understanding of Gandalf. They suggest at first that he may be little more than a "conjurer of cheap tricks", but the beauty and complexity of the fireworks hints at his power (and that he can set them off with a thought as he did from the wagon upon his arrival).102 ) Hobbits line dance.103 ) Sam and Frodo sit together at the birthday party. Sam is sitting quietly smoking a pipe across from Frodo (who turns around for the speech) Sam’s clothing has a more common appearance compared to the other well-to-do hobbits104 ) Sam never seems to be on the same social level as the other hobbits. At the party he sits with Frodo and he doesn't seem to talk with anyone else. The only one he confides with is Frodo (Frodo KNOWS how much he likes Rosie).105 ) There's a tent that's set on fire after Merry and Pippin launch the rocket and it sails past.106 ) Smaug was recreated in the firework display. Secondary fireworks pop and crack as Smaug’s wings materialize.107 ) Frodo is walking behind Bilbo through the crowd when the dragon appears (escorting him to make his speech cuz he's a little tipsy?)108 ) It seems like Frodo doesn’t realize the Smaug fireworks is not a real dragon as he’s instantly concerned for Bilbo and attempts to save him… "Watch out for the dragon!"109 ) Merry and Pippin's hair is smoking after setting off the dragon firework.110 ) Gandalf calls Sam, Merry and Pippin by their full first names.111 ) Bilbo cocks his eyes and takes one last chug on his drink before doing his speech and stands under the party tree (as in the book)112 ) The hobbit that laughs at the "fireworks" children, and whose wife then scowls at him, was not only invited to the party, but says, "ProudFEET!" getting a big laugh from the liquored-up hobbits (or a running inside Hobbiton joke).113 ) The ring causes people to break into a sweat. It happens to Bilbo at his party and to Frodo several times - most notably during the first encounter with the rider, in Bree, and during the Council of Elrond114 ) Gandalf sips on a tiny hobbit-sized cup at Bilbo's party115 ) Sam's one of the only hobbits that doesn't applaud during Bilbo's speech. He's puffing away on his pipe, but still smiles and offers his full attention.116 ) Bilbo's mind wanders when he's giving his speech as he thinks about putting on the ring117 ) Bilbo looks directly at Frodo when he says "Good-bye" during his birthday speech.118 ) There's the noise of feet running up steps when an invisible Bilbo is dashing back to Bag End.119 ) When Bilbo reappears inside his door after the party -- his shadow on the door reappears with him.120 ) We see Bilbo pack two candles, his pipe and his leather-bound manuscript of "There and Back Again/Red Book of Westmarch"121 ) Bilbo growls and hisses when he talks to Gandalf about keeping the ring (gollum-like); and when he says "… my precious," his eyes get as huge as Gollum’s.122 ) It looks like a map of Middle Earth low on the wall next to the fireplace. You can see it when Bilbo throws himself back against the wall when Gandalf goes ballistic.123 ) When Bilbo drops the ring just before he leaves for Rivendell, it hits the floor with a loud clunk and stays put. It doesn't spin or bounce like most rings would.124 ) As Bilbo is trying to leave the ring behind... his chin quivers and hand shakes, but he ultimately just drops it and walks away. He isn't concerned with its safety or what was to become of it. He is immediately free enough from its influence to think of his book and a very positive ending to it.125 ) As Bilbo leaves Bag End, his hair is still standing up in the front from being blown by Gandalf's temper flair.126 ) Bilbo has the same small black pot hanging off his pack as Sam’s.127 ) Hobbit hands are notably smaller whenever touched or held by anyone else.128 ) Many of the characters speak lines from other characters and/or places in the book.129 ) The pattern on Frodo’s party vest resembles artwork of flowers Tolkien has drawn (found in book entitled "Pictures by J.R.R.Tolkien"130 ) There's a quiet slapping on the floor of Frodo's feet as he walks up to Gandalf.131 ) Gandalf is surprised that Frodo can handle the ring unaffectedly as he carries it from where Bilbo dropped it.132 ) Gandalf very subtly manipulates Frodo into hiding the ring away by holding out an envelope as he talks leading Frodo into dropping it in. He quickly seals it shut with a wax seal (in other words...don't handle it) and tells Frodo to keep it secret, keep it safe.133 ) When Gandalf is holding the envelope, it looks small; when Frodo holds it, it looks more "hobbit sized".QUESTIONS THAT NEED ANSWERING134 ) As Gandalf rides up, we see the first view of (an unnamed) Minas Tirith facing Mordor and a fiery Mount Doom. You can see how close Mordor is. Good for perspective of danger.135 ) The city of Osgiliath is visible at the bottom of the screen, way off in the distance, with the river Anduin running through it.136 ) There's the handle of a shovel or rake leaning up against the wall as Gandalf walks past the two men sitting and talking in Minas Tirith.137 ) Gandalf sets his hat on top of his staff while in the Minas Tirith library.138 ) Gandalf holds his pipe between his fingers while still rifling through parchments in the library.139 ) Two of the maps Gandalf flips past are of Forde and Fenmarch (in southern Rohan below Rauros) and the other is of Ithilien.140 ) When Gandalf is reading the account by Isildur concerning the ring, the parchment is transcribed faithfully as it was written in LOTR! But Gandalf doesn't read exactly what's written.141 ) Molten lava pours down from Mt. Doom along an aqueduct that fills a moat surrounding Barad-dur.142 ) There are torch lights streaming towards the black gates. The enemy is moving.143 ) When the hobbit is chopping wood, we see the shadow of the approaching Wraith and horse on the cottage walls before the scene cuts to a close-up of the actual Black Rider. Then we see the shadows of three Black Riders flicker across the side of the cottage in the dying rays of sunset as they speed away.THE SHADOW OF THE PAST144 ) **There's a Golden Perch label on a keg behind Rosie in the Green Dragon bar.145 ) **The pillars in the Green Dragon are carved and painted – the one at the corner of the bar *might* be carved with a green dragon, can’t make it out – more likely it’s similar to the other pillars and the design on the doors (round double doors!) – themes appropriate for both Hobbits and a tavern (never mind a hobbit tavern): grains, grapes and vines…146 ) **There is a stuffed fish over the main door of the GD, and horseshoes up on a high beam.147 ) Sam can’t look away from Rosie when saying goodnight. He has a lingering smile as he walks away.148 ) Why does that hobbit (Frodo) never shut the door behind him!? Gandalf has mud caked on his clothes/boots from his hard ride back to Hobbiton.149 ) When Frodo is reaching into the chest for the envelope containing the ring, the angle is very similar to the "ring's eye view" when Gandalf first tries to touch the ring as it lies on the floor of the entry way and when Gandalf is pulling the ring from the fire.150 ) As Frodo is looking for the envelope holding the ring, Gandalf is startled by the croaking noise outside the window because it sounds like an orc.151 ) When Gandalf throws the envelope with the ring into the fire, he glances back at Frodo nervously when he walks up and asks "What are you doing?" Was Gandalf already concerned at what Frodo might do if he thought the ring was being harmed?152 ) There is ash on the Ring when it is pulled from the flames.153 ) The ring reflects the fire as it sits on the table in Bag End when Gandalf is explaining its history to Frodo. Interestingly, it doesn’t reflect anything else.154 ) Frodo's cup has steam rising from it.155 ) Bilbo's table was laden with pastries and cheeses. Frodo's table has more fruits on it.156 ) Both Frodo and Gandalf hear the ring whispering at the table. The only time more than one person hears the ring at the same time.157 ) The ring has a low-decibel ringing sound when Frodo's holding it in his hand extended out to Gandalf, and is suddenly stifled when Frodo closes his hand and says, "What must I do?" It also makes that ringing sound when he places it on the pedestal at Elrond's Council and just before Bilbo pulls it from his pocket just before he drops the ring onto the floor.158 ) Frodo roughly unfolds and jams his shirt into his pack that Gandalf has neatly rolled.159 ) When Frodo is packing to flee the Shire, he goes into the kitchen for food. Its ceiling has tiles instead of plaster like the rest of the rooms.160 ) Frodo packs two shirts, two apples, and a loaf of seed cake. He doesn't plan to be gone very long.161 ) Gandalf specifically tells Frodo to stay off the road. Sure enough, it's when they hit the road that they get into trouble.162 ) There are two different walking sticks used when Gandalf hands it to Frodo. One with a smaller grip for Gandalf, and one with a larger grip for Frodo as a perspective on size!163 ) Always thought that the act of Gandalf giving Frodo his walking stick was symbolic of Gandalf handing over his wizard's staff to a young apprentice. Kind of like passing the torch - 'you have to bear this burden. I cannot take it for you.164 ) The thunk of Frodo’s walking stick hitting the ground when Gandalf tells him to get down.165 ) Gandalf slaps his staff from his left hand to his right when he's about to do battle (before hauling Sam through the window and again when he’s about to fight with Saruman)166 ) I think that when Frodo hears the squeal outside the window, he recognizes that it's Sam.167 ) There's intricate designs on Bag End's carpet (we see it when Gandalf slams Sam down on the table) and a beautiful herring-bone hardwood floor.168 ) At first, it looks like Gandalf has turned Sam into the horse he's leading. "Keep up Samwise!"169 ) There's an ineffective scarecrow in the field when Sam and Frodo are leaving The Shire - birds are perched on it (tribute to Hitchcock’s The Birds? Or maybe The Wizard of Oz)170 ) Sam is so distraught at leaving the Shire, he's huffing and puffing as he takes "one more step" and crosses that point where he's "the farthest from home I've ever been." Poor Sam. Frodo helps by reminding him of what Bilbo used to say (as Frodo's voice changes over to Bilbo's)… "It's a dangerous thing, Frodo, going out your door..." (Sam always enjoyed Bilbo's stories)THE TREASON OF ISENGARD171 ) As Gandalf rides toward Orthanc, there are some posts chained together along the side.172 ) We get an aerial shot of the land surrounding Isengard, green with trees and grass. Later we see that same area devastated and dead from Saruman's work.173 ) Saruman's staff is the same four-pronged shape as the Tower of Isengard.174 ) The design in the windows of Orthanc is based on the tower seen from above -- a circle with four horns extending outward.175 ) Gandalf keeps his pipe in the top of his staff176 ) Gandalf doesn’t put his staff down when at Isengard (like he does at Bag End and Rivendell)… instinctively knew he needed to keep it close?177 ) Saruman has specimens in liquid-filled jars. Was he already experimenting to create his Uruk-hai?178 ) Gandalf's left eye is bloodshot (like it was injured when he's about to do battle with Saruman. Aragorn also has a bloodshot right eye when they're on the River Anduin about to approach the Argonath. (left over from a surfboard battle?))179 ) As Gandalf is forced up to the top of the tower, his cry echoes into the scene where we see Frodo and Sam in the cornfield, as if to foreshadow that Gandalf's delay will have a dire effect on the hobbits.THAT WAS CLOSE!180 ) The line Sam delivers in the corn row about not leaving Frodo, is actually what Gildor told him in the book when they meet with the Elves at Woody End. In the film Sam attributes that advice to Gandalf.181 ) There's the sound of Sam's clashing pans and utensils whenever he moves.182 ) Due to hobbit stealth, Frodo and Sam didn't even hear Merry and Pippin running towards them through the cornfield until they collided. Sam's strength is shown when he picks Pippin up by the collar off of Frodo in the cornfield.183 ) Sam picks up Frodo fairly lifting him off his feet. Strength he'll need soon enough.184 ) Farmer Maggot's scythe resembles an Uruk-hai blade.185 ) Farmer Maggot's dogs are audibly in pursuit of the Hobbits, along with their angry master. The barking reminds the boys to RUUUUNNNNNNN for it! (Pippin’s already gone!)186 ) After the hobbits fall down the slope running from Farmer Maggot, Pippin says, "Oooh, that was close" because he's fallen face to face with a steaming pile of droppings just in front of his face. (Hmmm, is that from a Black Rider's horse?!?-wonder how many piles of dung they tried before they picked that one?)187 ) There are carrot tops sticking out of both Merry's waistcoat pockets as they run to get off the road. There are carrot and apple issues throughout the film!188 ) Closeups of the hobbit feet show them always dirty, as would be expected.189 ) Frodo is the only one not rushing over for the mushrooms with the other hobbits, he’s distracted. He senses the approach of something and sees a distortion down the road (Could it be an invisible Black Rider?).190 ) Frodo's first instinct is to hide (as hobbits do).THE BLACK RIDER191 ) The Nazgul's horses have coal red eyes192 ) As the Black Rider approaches the hobbits under the tree, there's a flutter and rustle of leaves as the birds and beasts flee... then silence.193 ) As the hobbits are hiding under the tree root, we hear the Ringwraith's horse approach from the right of the screen but don't see it until it has passed to the left of the tree (remember we can see to either side of the tree, right and left). We don't see the horse approaching the right side of the tree, it sort of magically appears on the left coming from behind it.194 ) The odd-angled nails in the Ringwraiths' horses' hooves; they look like they were just slammed in any old way.195 ) You can see the blood or sweat running down the Nazgul's horse's leg (when the hobbits are hiding under the tree root)196 ) The Nazgul's clothing has frayed edges. Sauron's were frayed as well.197 ) The Nazgul horse snorts when the Nazgul is smelling for the ring... they are in sync somehow198 ) The trunk of the tree where the hobbits hide has a huge, heart-shaped knothole. It covers the whole side of the trunk.199 ) When the first Black Rider appears and zeros in on the ring, the insects emerge and flee from the dirt and wood.200 ) The supernatural speed of the Nazgul when he leaps to follow the sound of the bag of mushrooms that Merry throws.201 ) After they escape the Black Rider from under the tree and a dazed Frodo holds the ring and looks at it, it's the only time it's seen from his perspective. The rest of the time when he holds it out in his hand, it's seen from other's perspective/angle. Frodo is shocked as he perceives the ring's influence over him. He's starting to realize the deeper danger.202 ) Another carrot sighting: in the woods after nightfall, just before someone says "Anything?" and Frodo replies "Nothing," Merry is silhouetted for a moment, and you can see the leafy tops STILL sticking out of his pocketsess.203 ) Merry very quickly puts together that the black rider is after something, or someone... and he challenges Frodo with that question. Frodo's afraid to answer (keep it secret...). Without hesitation, Merry understands that he has to help Sam and Frodo leave the Shire and instantly comes up with an escape route.204 ) When the Black Rider's horse jumps out at the hobbits, Frodo is actually keeping it busy while the others get away and run to the ferry. Then he follows. The Rider tries to cut him off, but he easily slips by once the others are clear and call out to him.205 ) Running to the ferry, Sam vaults and clears the fence as easily as Merry & Pippin even though he's carrying three times the weight in gear!206 ) As the hobbit ride the ferry, you can see the dock and lamp on the other side of the river.AT THE SIGN OF THE PRANCING PONY207 ) There are two holes in the door at Bree, one for humans, one for hobbits. As they go through the gate, Merry & Pippin whisper to each other… comments about ale?208 ) PJ's cameo in Bree, he burps in our face, and he's eating a carrot209 ) When the hobbits first enter the Prancing Pony, Frodo looks over at Merry who encouragingly nods at Frodo to go ahead and inquire about Gandalf.210 ) As they enter the Prancing Pony, Merry and Pippin look like they're ready to party while Sam looks suspiciously around and Frodo is nervous.211 ) Sam is watching everyone around them from the moment they entered the Pony. He even noticed 'that fellow' who'd been watching them since they arrived.212 ) Strider’s boots are muddy as he sits at the Prancing Pony just as described in the book.213 ) Aragorn (then Strider) is smoking his pipe, his eyes glow from the embers.214 ) At Bree there is a squinty-eyed man (southerner?) discussing the hobbits with another man (Bill Ferny?)215 ) Merry makes the most darling, affirmative "mmm!" in response to Pip asking if it comes in pints. Merry's lips are immersed in the deep foam of the ale.216 ) The mugs the hobbits are holding are huge compared to their Hobbiton crockery.217 ) Frodo was resisting the ring's call to put it on (was taking a lot longer than under the tree where Sam stopped him), so instead the ring used the opportunity of his fall to go onto his finger and reveal itself (which the Nazgul were immediately aware of).218 ) When Pippin rushes over for his pint, the man standing next to him pats him on the back in welcome! (first time other than Barliman you see someone pleasant to the hobbits)219 ) Someone must have asked Pippin if he knew any Baggins for him to point out Frodo. Butterbur has a surprised look on his face since Frodo just introduced himself as Mr. Underhill (recognized the name?).220 ) Barliman's cat, seen as Frodo rushes to stop Pippin from blurting out his name, might be a tiny allusion by P.J. to the ostler's cat in the song which takes place at that point in the story in the book.221 ) The flaming eye looks like it’s engulfing the shadowy figures of the people as it approaches Frodo.222 ) Just before the Hobbits burst into the room, Aragorn’s eyes flick toward the door - he heard them coming.223 ) Sam uses the name Longshanks when he challenges Strider224 ) Pippin is holding a stool for a weapon when they burst in on Strider (HWF- Hobbit Wrestling Federation), Merry's threateningly holding candelabra, and Sam is bare-fisted… but still the most threatening!225 ) There are chamber pots under the beds in the Prancing Pony.226 ) Aragorn is wearing the Ring of Barahir on his left hand and a hand guard on his right hand.227 ) When Strider is with the hobbits at the Prancing Pony during the Ringwraith's attack, he leaves on his cloak and holds his sword ready for battle or a quick getaway. Frodo also has his coat on (not cloak) and is sitting up with Strider while Sam, Merry and Pippin are sleeping.228 ) Pippin smacks his lips as he sleeps. Still thinking of food (midnightsies?).229 ) Aragorn snarls slightly when he's telling the hobbits who the wraiths are "They are the Nazgul..." He also snarls slightly when leading the hobbits in the wild (just as they stop for second breakfast)230 ) When Aragorn is leading the hobbits to Rivendell, it's raining in one scene. In a close up, we see Aragorn pulling his coat closer around him and then in the next scene we see a far away view of them walking. I can see rain against the trees. There's snow about, too. It's cold out there!231 ) Pippin's second breakfast comment comes from Bilbo's second breakfast in The Hobbit and elevenses from A Long Expected Party.232 ) Aragorn tosses apples to the hobbits when they can’t stop for second breakfast. Even though he won’t let them stop, he still sympathizes enough to supply them with food.233 ) Pippin is looking around trying to figure out where that apple came from (staggering ever so slightly)234 ) Frodo steps in cold, mushy ground after repacking Bill. Not a pleasant walk, fresher.235 ) Sauron begins to speak to Saruman with the black speech, but changes to the common tongue.236 ) When Saruman is receiving instructions from Sauron through the palantir, Sauron tells Saruman to build him an Army "worthy of Mordor," Saruman seems tormented and disheveled afterwards.237 ) When the trees are being torn down at Isengard, they groan and cry, perhaps a clue as to what the Ents will sound like. (Hoom haroom )A KNIFE IN THE DARK238 ) When they arrive at Amon Sul, you can see Strider standing on the outcrop from a distance.239 ) Hobbits had never handled, let alone used, a sword before Aragorn gave them their blades at Weathertop.240 ) Pippin's face is usually so expressive, but he is absolutely stone faced on Weathertop as he holds his new sword. All the others unsheathe their swords, looking at them with various expressions of wonder and worry. But for Pip, it seems to be the first time he really starts to understand just what this adventure will demand of him. (Interestingly enough, Billy Boyd has fenced competitively, so of them all he at least knew how to use a sword. He talks about the difficulties of learning to fight like a hobbit when he already knew somewhat about fencing to begin with. Elijah also had some previous training in fencing.)241 ) Frodo is again, the one who seems to understand more than the rest that they will probably need the swords, Merry looks like a kid with a new toy, Sam looks a wee bit confused, and Pippin, well, hey, he's Pippin.242 ) Only a hobbit would light a fire and cook a feast of food while hiding from Black Riders243 ) At Weathertop, Sam is eating out of a mini pot with a wooden spoon, the same items he will use for herbs and stewed rabbit.244 ) Pippin's face lights up and he nods enthusiastically when Merry tells Frodo what's cooking.245 ) Sam's got a plate of food ready for Frodo for when he wakes up, and is still holding it and his own pot when they run over to look down on the wraiths approaching Weathertop.246 ) Frodo (Elijah) puts out the campfire with his bare foot!247 ) With Strider gone, Frodo takes charge when the wraiths are about to attack, draws his sword and gets the hobbits moving! "Go!" and they all run to the top of Amon Sul.248 ) Sam is not overwhelmed by the presence of the Black Riders at Weathertop. He strikes at them first.249 ) The Nazgul hold their swords in front of their faces when advancing on the hobbits on Weathertop. It’s the same way Elendil held Narsil in the prologue and the way Aragorn holds it when he fights the Uruk-hai towards the end of the film. Probably PJ's way of showing they were all of the same race of men.250 ) When Frodo is on the ground trying to slide away from the wraiths, he's stopped when he comes up against a fallen statue (the same type of statue that is found elsewhere at Weathertop and at Parth Galen.)251 ) Frodo resists the Wraith and the Ring when he pulls away as the Wraith reaches for the ring. He's GOT to be experiences pressure from both. Very tough hobbit!252 ) Twice Aragorn/Strider physically jumps between Frodo and his attackers. Here and when the cave troll attacks in Moria.253 ) Sam runs right through Aragorn's fight with the Wraiths (ducking as one swings its sword) to get to Frodo. Merry and Pippin also make their way to Frodo.254 ) The Morgul blade disintegrates and vanishes just as in the book.255 ) There are white hands on the doors in Saruman's throne room worked into the design of the doors.256 ) At Isengard, the Orcs slipped in a comment to Saruman about the trees being strong and having deep roots. The same orc is Saruman's assistant in at least three scenes (he has a line of nasal-bridge rings down his face): in the "we have work to do" scene, in the tree-ripping down scene, and in the Lurtz birth scene--it's the same orc-dude in all three.257 ) There are sort of baby 'cooing' noises in the background as Lurtz is 'born'.258 ) After the battle of Weathertop and Frodo has been stabbed by the Black Rider, they are found resting in a forested area. The stones behind them are the trolls that Bilbo, Gandalf and the Dwarves turned to stone from The Hobbit (the story Bilbo was telling the hobbit children at his party)259 ) When lying on the ground by the stone trolls, Frodo seems to react when Aragorn says to Pippin, "He’ll soon become a wraith like them." Frodo’s gasps and his cries sound like the wraiths, and they seem to respond to his cries in kind. "They're close." (Perhaps it's setting the poison to work more.)260 ) Merry helps Strider stand guard on lookout for the Wraiths holding a brand of fire.261 ) Sam runs into the dark to look for athelas to save Frodo when the wraiths have just screeched and they are all so frightened. He is so brave and dedicated.262 ) Apparently an Elf can sneak up on a Ranger. Aragorn doesn't see Arwen coming, and catches him off guard.263 ) As we first see Arwen, the choir seems to sing the name "Tinuviel" in a long drawn out way.264 ) As Arwen approaches Frodo, he sees her as the wraiths see her (because he’s becoming one of them as he fades from the poison of the morgul blade ). She appears to him as she does in the Blessed Realm glowing and dressed in white. Everyone else sees her as she appears in Middle Earth, dressed in grey. Arwen and the Wraiths are the only thing Frodo seems to be able to see... he's fading and falling into the Shadow World.FLIGHT TO THE FORD265 ) Arwen rides the same horse that Glorfindel did in the book… Asfaloth266 ) When Arwen is leaving with Frodo, she leans forward and quietly says, "Noro lim, Asfaloth." The horse snickers and shakes his head slightly in response.267 ) Aragorn looks anxiously as Arwen rides away, because it’s not just Frodo that’s in danger… he’s sent his love off alone knowing the wraiths will do their best to stop them.268 ) Arwen rides Asfaloth full tilt cutting through the trees, and then she calls to him when the Wraith reaches for Frodo and he redoubles his speed and tears away!269 ) Arwen baits the Black Riders to get them to enter the water.270 ) When Arwen chants to the river and it rises up, there are figures of the white horses in the foam crashing over the wraiths! Asfaloth is still in the water, but doesn't get swept away- it doesn't even get wet.271 ) Arwen had her father's blade from the Last Alliance. It does not have a haft (the crossbar above the hilt)272 ) Frodo collapses when the Black Riders are washed away. Does he collapse because they're, basically, collapsed?273 ) After crossing the ford, as Arwen lays Frodo on the river's edge, he's gasping for breath and his eyes almost black. He's succumbing to the poison and is fading. He stops breathing after struggling for the last few gasps of breath.274 ) Arwen's lines about "What grace is given me" are being sung in English in the background during that scene.WELCOME TO RIVENDELL275 ) Fading Frodo sees the blurred archways passing above him when he’s being carried into Rivendell.276 ) At either side of Frodo's sick bed in Rivendell there are flowers or herbs suspended in bundles; medications, cups and whatnot on the table; a vase of pink roses; and the statue/headboard of Frodo’s sickbed has a shawl around her arms.277 ) When Frodo awakens in Rivendell, he's swimming in the bedclothes. They're way too big for a hobbit.278 ) Someone has put the ring on a chain around Frodo's neck (as in the book)279 ) Frodo's left hand looks transparent after his healing. He should also now begin to have a slight aura of light about him like the Elves (technically this is admitted by the crew of LOTR)280 ) Frodo is surprisingly clear-headed after he wakes up. He immediately asks, "What happened, Gandalf? Why didn't you meet us?"281 ) Atop the tower of Orthanc, there are a couple of bowls of food that Saruman had provided for "his guest".282 ) The patterns on the floor of Isengard match the patterns on the top where Gandalf's held captive.283 ) The moth is fluttering in the background behind Saruman just as Gandalf is about to step off the edge of the tower.284 ) Gwaihir approaches Orthanc as quietly as the moth, then screeches in defiance just before catching Gandalf!285 ) You can see the tiny image of Saruman standing on top of Orthanc as Gandalf flies away.286 ) There's not noticeable way of accessing the top of Orthanc (i.e. trap door, staircase).287 ) Gwaihir flies in the dark (nearing sunrise) to help Gandalf. Eagles don't normally fly at night. Then as the sun rises, it's on his left (heading south to Edoras).288 ) The embroidery on Elrond’s clothing is in the same style as the architecture of Rivendell.289 ) There are Celtic-like knots in Elrond's hair290 ) The peacock, symbolic of immortality and incorruptibility, seems to be a recurring motif. The quiver that Legolas is given has a peacock embossed on it. Some of the swirly Rivendell architecture is reminiscent of the peacock's tail feathers. Elrond's chair at the council has that fan-tail shape as well. A white peacock is briefly visible as Legolas runs down the stairs (and it can be seen in one of the stills that was not in the movie). Side note: I thought the peacock thing was weird -- to me they symbolize vanity. However, I recently found out they also are symbolic of incorruptibility and eternal life. So it's an appropriate symbol for the Elves.MANY MEETINGS291 ) When we see Bilbo in Rivendell, not only is the hair on his head white, the hair on his feet is too!292 ) Bilbo's clothing is still in the style of the Shire. However, the material of his waistcoat is now "elvish" silky shantung-like stuff. He wore a red vest when he found the ring and during his party.293 ) The bench that Bilbo sat on was appropriately too large for him.294 ) When Frodo looks at the Red Book, he says "This is wonderful" because he’s never seen it before - unlike in the book.295 ) Gandalf's name appears in Bilbo's book (across from the drawing of the Shire)296 ) Frodo is still pale and washed-out looking when he's reunited with his friends and Bilbo.297 ) As Sam is packing in Rivendell, queries "what have I forgotten" (referencing rope from books)298 ) Frodo doesn't realize he can go home until Sam says they've "done what they set out to do," and now they can go "off 'ome."299 ) In the beginning, Frodo is just as Gandalf described him to Butterbur in the book - a perky chap with red cheeks (etc). But after Weathertop, he is pale, with the beginnings of the "elf-glow".300 ) Gandalf walks a little stiffly and with an aged gait when talking with Elrond and throughout the film (Can’t wait to see how Gandalf the White carries himself).301 ) The quill pens in the various places match their surroundings. Black in Orthanc, mixed white and "stripey" in Rivendell, Barliman Butterbur's quill is frayed at the edges, stripey feathers in Minas Tirith.302 ) One of the Rivendell buildings (maybe the Hall of Fire ?) has a dragon motif. There is a dragon head front and along the top of the roofline it looks like vertebrae. Another building has a bird head.303 ) In Rivendell after Elrond says, "The Ring cannot stay here," Gandalf turns away, despondently gazing into the distance from a balcony. Then his expression changes slightly, he stares harder then looks almost optimistic.304 ) The scene cuts to the arrival of Boromir, Legolas and Gimli. Gandalf takes comfort from noting their arrival.305 ) Boromir’s horse rides up seeming heavy, weighted by it rider and gear (medallions, bridle, etc). Legolas’ horse trots up very light and quick.306 ) Boromir wears chain mail (and this makes one think about Boromir's background - the man wears a mail shirt, and a heavy leather vest, and carries a shield. Think he's been through a lot?)307 ) Elrond and Gandalf don’t consider hobbits as a possible race to look to for help (only men and Dwarves).308 ) Rivendell is very open with leaves strewn about and the sound of birds throughout the rooms.ONLY A BROKEN HEIRLOOM309 ) Aragorn is drawn to Narsil even in solitude (when he's reading).310 ) Boromir is examining the shards of Narsil when he nicks himself. The line, "it's still sharp," was wasted on most of the audience. (Sean Bean played Richard Sharpe in the "Sharpe's Rifles" series)311 ) Boromir drops Narsil and Aragorn picks it up. It's probably the first time Aragorn's touched it (in the book, he carries it with him).312 ) When Boromir walks away from Aragorn and Narsil, he looks like he's putting his cut finger in his mouth.313 ) Narsil is broken into five shards. Including the hilt, there are a total of six pieces.314 ) The statue bearing the Narsil shards has on its 'pin' the White Tree.315 ) The shield holding the shards of Narsil is like the one used by the Elves at the Last Alliance (probably from that battle).316 ) There are little pearly beads embroidered on Arwen's white dress - the one she's wearing in the love scene w/Aragorn. Galadriel has the same beadwork on her dress.317 ) The beautiful detail in the floor tiles, wood work, furniture, architecture in Rivendell is earthy and natural318 ) The intricate braiding of Gimli's beard: I've always been partial to all things Dwarven (at least where fantasy novels are concerned), and the beard reflected a concern and care for the culture of the race as reflected in Tolkien's work.319 ) Gimli's helmet and armor has a very similar design to the architecture of Moria (the whole dwarf theme)THE COUNCIL OF ELROND320 ) The shrine holding the shards of Narsil is up behind Aragorn during the Council of Elrond.321 ) There are twenty-two members at the Council.322 ) Aragorn and Legolas are the only Fellowship members at the Council not wearing traveling clothes.323 ) The ring has a low-decibel ringing sound when Frodo's places it on the pedestal at Elrond's Council (as it did at Bag End)324 ) Frodo looks relieved after placing the ring on the pedestal at the Council...freely giving it up and believing he's done his part and can now go home.325 ) Aragorn can’t sit quietly in a chair… he’s sprawled out and fidgety! (A man of action!)326 ) When Boromir says, "...Gondor needs no king." and sits down, the men on either side of him look sternly straight ahead as if not to acknowledge Aragorn. However, the men between Legolas and the dwarfs openly gape at Aragorn when his identity is revealed. Aragorn looks down as if in submission to their rejection.327 ) The ring hisses when Elrond says, "The ring must be destroyed."328 ) Only Frodo can hear the ring at the Council as soon as it is threatened by what Elrond says.329 ) The looks that pass between Elrond and Gandalf through the whole council reflect reactions to the previous conversations. Boromir proving Elrond’s opinion of men, while Aragorn supports Gandalf’s.330 ) Gimli grabs the axe of the dwarf sitting next to him to try and destroy the ring.331 ) When Gimli strikes the Ring with the axe, Aragorn throws his arm up over his face, as if he's trying to shield himself.332 ) There’s already a connection between Frodo and the ring. He freely gives it up at the council, but when Gimli attacks it… Frodo’s been affected, too (much to his distress)333 ) Frodo and Sam listen to Boromir's description of Mordor. Information they'll end up relying on quite heavily.334 ) The Ring calls out in Black Speech at the Council: "Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul" as it is taking control and stirring the argument and dissention among the council members.335 ) Frodo, Aragorn, Elrond, Erestor and the elf seated with them are the only ones who don't participate (or are incited) in the argument by the ring in the shouting match at the Council.336 ) Only time the ring reflects something other than its surroundings is during the Council of Elrond when everyone is arguing and flames consume the Council.337 ) Legolas is holding back his blonde elf companions after Gimli insults him during the Council of Elrond argument.338 ) Figwit can speak! Well, argue anyway. Ok, so we can’t hear him. But he’s one of the first to jump to his feet when the Council erupts in argument, and a moment later we see him arguing vehemently with someone. Methinks he must be uttering words of incredible wisdom and insight. Wish he wasn’t such a hothead, though.339 ) Gandalf's has a look of anxiety when Frodo offers to take the ring to Mordor, and Aragorn looks surprised (knowing what Frodo's been through already)340 ) Aragorn's decision to join the Fellowship marks the end of his self-imposed exile.341 ) When the Fellowship is formed at the end of it's breaking apart at Parth Galen, Aragorn gets down on one knee before Frodo. And not just to talk to a short person, but as a gesture of honor. The first time he does it is at the council of Elrond to swear his protection. The final time is to confirm that promise before he sends him away. It's a wonderful example of the humility with which Aragorn chooses to come into his kingdom.342 ) Gandalf looks over at Elrond and winks when Aragorn says he'll go with Frodo. This was a reference to Elrond's disparaging comments about Aragorn and men in general in the scene with Gandalf before the council.343 ) When Gandalf approaches Frodo saying he'll help him bear this burden, the two Elves nearest Frodo slightly bow in courtesy of Gandalf and back away.344 ) Legolas shoots a disapproving look when Gimli joins the Fellowship.345 ) Boromir's delivery of his final words, as he walks over to join the others who've volunteered to accompany Frodo. When he says "If this is indeed the will of the Council" there's a sardonic look on his face, and his voice matches that "indeed"! and he is looking at the Council at large - clearly he doesn't agree with the decision to destroy the Ring. He then he drops his gaze to look directly at Frodo and says, in a gentler tone of voice and with complete sincerity, "then Gondor will see it done."346 ) As the fellowship is declared by Elrond, Sam and Boromir are the only two who don't look very happy about it.347 ) Sting and Narsil are the only weapons referred to by name.THE RING GOES SOUTH348 ) At Rivendell, while Bilbo is with Frodo, giving him Sting and the mithril coat, there is a brief shot of Legolas coming down some stairs to meet the other members of the Fellowship - there is Bill the pony, Sam is adjusting the saddle, while Merry and Pip are to his left, and Boromir is standing on the right!349 ) There's a gathering of Elves/men on the balcony watching the Fellowship as it leaves Rivendell (mentioned in book).350 ) Aragorn doesn't carry his bow and arrow till they leave Rivendell. The fletching of Aragorn’s arrows looks black351 ) Legolas carries his knives in sheaths on his back (behind his shoulder blades instead of at his waist). That way he can grab them with the same motion he uses for drawing arrows.352 ) Sam is cooking for Frodo and serving him as he would have at Bag End and did at Weathertop.353 ) Boromir is drawn to the halflings: this is shown when he is training Merry and Pippin and wrestling with them on the ground. It makes his sacrifice for them at the end that much stronger. This is also demonstrated on the stair of Khazad-dum, and when he asks Aragorn to allow them time to mourn after the events of Moria.354 ) Merry tosses his apple to Aragorn when ready to swordplay with Boromir.355 ) Uncharacteristically, Strider puts his sword aside while watching Boromir teach Merry and Pippin to sword fight.356 ) During the sword practice scene with Boromir and the young hobbits, Boromir is speaking out numbers as he performs the various manuveours. These numbers correspond to the positions used in fencing, and which are used in modern fencing practice.357 ) Boromir's love for the halflings: this is shown when he is training Merry and Pippin and wrestling with them on the ground. It makes his sacrifice for them at the end that much stronger. This is also demonstrated when he asks Aragorn to allow them time to mourn after the events of Moria.358 ) The surprised look on Pippin's face when Boromir's sword grazes his hand.... then they yell "for the Shire!" they attack (just at Frodo does in Moria in the book)359 ) During Merry & Pippin's sword lesson, it's the only time you see Aragorn, Boromir and Frodo laughing together.360 ) Gandalf's hair is tied back while resting on the rocks while Gimli's is laid loose.361 ) The first thing Boromir thinks of when the crebain flies towards them is making sure Merry and Pippin are hidden. Aragorn cries out to Sam and Frodo "take cover!"362 ) Other than Frodo, the ring only calls to the men of the Fellowship. The hobbits, Legolas, Gimli nor Gandalf show any interest in it. Gandalf is exposed to it, but never is drawn to take it.363 ) Boromir and Aragorn are carrying the hobbits through the snows of Caradhras (as in the book)364 ) On the Redhorn Pass - Legolas trots lightly upon the snow's surface while the rest of the Fellowship are slogging through deep snow.365 ) When the Fellowship is climbing up the Misty Mountains, and they hear Saruman's voice, Saruman is speaking in Quenya, while Gandalf is speaking in Sindarin.366 ) Legolas reaches into the snow and pulls Gimli out of the drift where he's buried.367 ) Aragorn's arm shoots up out of the snow, then he uncovers Frodo and Sam.THE WATCHER IN THE WATER368 ) The wolves are howling from across the lake as the Fellowship tries to enter Moria.369 ) The ithildin image on the doors of Moria is Tolkien’s own illustration for the book (also his work seen in Saruman’s book)370 ) At the gate of Moria, Gandalf looked up... then we see the full moon... If you know something about astronomy, you may notice that the south pole of the moon was up, while the north pole was down, which proves that the movie was indeed shot in the southern hemisphere.371 ) The holly trees are present on ether side of the doors of Moria.372 ) The sleeves under Gandalf's cloak can be pulled down to cover his hands (has thumb holes).373 ) Frodo uses 'Strider' and 'Aragorn' interchangeably, while Sam calls him Strider and Merry calls him Aragorn.374 ) Legolas is always standing at attention (on alert) with his bow in hand. He never freakin' blinks! I think I have caught him blinking twice. That is awesome for a keen-eyed Elf!375 ) The Wood Elf is standing under the tree as Gandalf tries to decipher the password.376 ) Gandalf places a crystal from his pouch on the top of his staff and blows on it to light the way377 ) Legolas studies the arrowheads to determine which enemy fought in the mines.378 ) The Watcher in the Water music resembles old Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea movie music379 ) The Watcher grabs Frodo first by the right leg then by the left leg, then later the cave troll does the same thing. Then Frodo has to "RUN". That's gotta hurt!380 ) Frodo has drawn Sting as he's being dragged to the water by the watcher... but Sam runs up and frees him from its grip.381 ) Legolas shoots the tentacle that has covered Frodo's face (dangerously close to hitting Frodo! Great shot, Legolas!)382 ) When Frodo drops into Boromir's arms after he falls from the Watcher's grasp, Boromir yells "LEGOLAS!!" and then Gandalf yells "INTO THE MINES!" and then Aragorn yells "INTO THE CAVE!!" in the split second before Legolas shoots the Watcher in the eye (posted because many were confused with this).383 ) Frodo is not only caught by Boromir from the Watcher, but also when he and Aragorn have been trapped on the staircase and they finally jump off - Boromir catches Frodo then as well. Seems to me that Boromir does a little more Ring-bearer catching than is good for him.384 ) Legolas and Boromir help Frodo into the mines after escaping the Watcher in the Water as Strider ushers the other hobbits in front of him.A JOURNEY IN THE DARK385 ) When Pippin is afraid, he holds hands with Merry. I've seen this twice: When he slips on the stairs when they first enter Moria, and when he jumps out of hiding at Amon Hen.386 ) Gollum actually makes the gollum sound as he leaps out of the camera's sight in Moria... he says "gollum" twice throughout the whole movie.387 ) The men seem to stick together, as do the hobbits, which leaves Gimli and Legolas alone to form a unique bond.388 ) As dirty and scroungy as everyone else gets on the long journey, Legolas is always pristine389 ) Gimli chants or prays in dwarvish while kneeling at Balin's tomb (praying?)390 ) The Dwarf journal Gandalf reads from at the tomb is hacked, cut and has blood stains and leafs or pages falling out of it just as described in the book. It has writing in both Dwarvish and Elvish runes, just as in the book.391 ) There is a "G" rune on Gandalf's staff. You can see it when Pippin is holding it in Moria by the well.392 ) Boromir and Merry are the supportive ones in the film. Merry pats Gimli on the shoulder at Parth Galen, looks at Pippin/Sam when despondent; Boromir places his hand on Gimli’s shoulder at Balin’s tomb and supports him after escaping Moria.393 ) When Pippin is holding Gandalf's hat in Moria as he's reading the dwarf diary, you can see a repair stitching on it near Pippin's fingers.394 ) During the noise of the skeleton falling in the well, everyone is looking around except Merry, who's looking over to Pippin (he feels for his friend).395 ) The exasperated sigh that Boromir lets out after the noise of Pippin's mistake in Moria ends (and Aragorn's annoyed snort)396 ) If you look at the two arrows that hit the door to Balin's Tomb in Moria, you'll notice that they are fletched with hair...dwarf-hair I'm assuming, since it doesn’t appear to be the same color and/or texture as orc hair.397 ) Boromir is very skilled with his sword (twirls it with his hands before battle in Moria and when instructing Merry & Pippin)398 ) Gandalf loses his hat when he throws it down before battling the orcs and cave troll in Moria. It's the last we see of it.399 ) Pippin is the first to charge the orcs.400 ) When the hobbits draw their swords, Sam looks nervously at Frodo… bracing himself.401 ) "Sting" glows when orcs are near, but NOT when they are in plain view (like during the Moria fight), probably because, hey, if you're stabbing an orc, you don't need no smart-alecky reminder from your sword that orcs are nearby.402 ) During the first battle in Moria - there is no music, for the whole first half of the battle.403 ) True to the book, Sam was the first of the halflings to slay an orc, "A sturdy thrust with his barrow blade."404 ) During the battle in Moria, Sam reverts to a weapon he can relate to... his cooking pan. He uses both his sword and pan like Gandalf uses is sword and staff.405 ) The cave-troll wildly swings his hammer and kills two of the orcs on his "team"--one of whom is the one who leads him on his chain.406 ) Just as Gimli is about to be bludgeoned by the Cave Troll, Legolas shoots TWO arrows at the same time from his bow and saves Gimli (doubleshot!)407 ) Merry and Pippin threw stones at the cave troll in Moria and at the Uruk-hai at Parth Galen.408 ) You can see where the ring has fallen out of Frodo's shirt as he tries to revive Aragorn.409 ) Frodo stabs the Cave Troll at least twice... he's not a passive victim in that fight.410 ) Can see the arrow sticking out of the top back of the cave troll’s head where Legolas has shot him through the mouth (there was a lot of debate on this).411 ) The hall from which they enter the Chamber of Mazarbul is not the same one which they exit into. It appears, from the direction of the shaft of light, that they are at right angles to one another. They exit through a huge hole in the wall. The shaft of light is revealed when they ran out.412 ) The Orcs in the books are never fully described - are they hairy or scaly or both? Jackson's Orcs are individually ve

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THE BRIDGE OF KHAZAD-DUM413 ) When running from the orcs in Khazad-dum, Frodo’s shirt is still open from exposing the mithril shirt! (good detail)414 ) Running out of the Chamber of Mazarbul, Sam keeps his hand on Frodo’s back.415 ) You can hear the words "Khazad ai-menu" during the dwarvish chanting in Moria in the movie416 ) Right before the shot of the Orcs crawling down the ceiling in Moria, Legolas looks upwards towards the ceiling. I just thought it was interesting to see that someone in the fellowship acknowledged them417 ) When the Orcs run away from the Balrog., Gimli looks pleased and amused, as if his "prowess" had scared them all away.418 ) When Gandalf says, "A Balrog...a demon of the ancient world..." Legolas is the only member of the company who understands (being the only other immortal and knowing Elvish history, he knows exactly what Gandalf is talking about).419 ) The Orcs in Moria have large eyes compared to the orcs that Saruman uses. The reason the Moria orcs have larger eyes than the Isengard Orcs is that they live in the dark, and evolved that way--also part of the reason why they cannot stand the light as well.420 ) When running through the mines away from the Balrog, while everyone else appears to be running at full speed, Legolas looks like he's jogging. This is true in other places where they are forced to run away.421 ) When they are running down the stairs in Moria just before the collapsing bridge/stairway, instead of going around the corner from one flight to the other like everyone else, Legolas jumps over the side to the steps below, saving himself from running down four or five steps and Gimli also jumps from lower down.422 ) Legolas is so sure-footed. As he hops up on the rock to watch the crebain, he's just as graceful as he always is. When he jumps off his horse in Rivendell, when he jumps the stairs in Khazad-dum... he land firmly and never waivers. Very cat-like.423 ) None of Legolas' targets move around much once they're hit. They just drop!424 ) In Khazad-dum, Legolas shoots an arrow with so much force it sails across a wide abyss, pierces through an orcs skull and embeds in the stone pillar.425 ) The Fellowship jumped (or were tossed) from the collapsing stairs in this order: Legolas; Gandalf; Boromir w/M&P; Sam; Gimli; Aragorn; then Frodo.426 ) Arguably the two most important Fellowship members are the ones stranded on the stairs after Gimli jumps (Aragorn and Frodo).427 ) Gimli worried about his beard... a very dwarvish thing.428 ) When the stairs are collapsing, Aragorn makes certain Frodo is safe before he throws himself up higher on the steps.429 ) If the stairs in Moria had fallen the other way, they'd have been cut off.430 ) The Fellowship crossed the Bridge of Khazad-dum in this order: Aragorn; Boromir; Frodo; Pippin; Merry; Sam; Gimli; Legolas; Gandalf. Merry passes Pippin after getting across and run to climb the stairs.431 ) Gandalf gets stronger and straighter as he confronts the Balrog and says who he is and commands the Balrog. The light around him gets bigger and brighter.432 ) When fighting the Balrog, Gandalf always glows white when receiving or giving blows.433 ) We're watching Gandalf's battle with the Balrog from Frodo's perspective; from over his shoulder.434 ) Aragorn lingers after Gandalf falls, narrowly dodging arrows from the Orcs as Boromir routs everyone to escape from Moria after Gandalf has fallen.435 ) You know Gandalf can hear Frodo’s cries as he’s falling.436 ) It's Boromir who routs everyone after Gandalf has fallen.437 ) Aragorn is so stunned he lingers and narrowly dodges an arrow shot at his head.438 ) When the Fellowship escapes Moria, they're struck with the glaring, eye piercing brightness of the day.439 ) The order of the Fellowship when running from Moria onto the rocks: Pippin; Sam; Merry; Legolas; Gimli; Frodo; Boromir; Aragorn. Sam passes Pippin and sits on the rocks ahead of them440 ) When they all come out of Moria, watch Gimli. Boromir has a struggle on his hands as he holds Gimli back because he wants to run back into Moria for Gandalf. You can see Gimli’s legs trying to run away from Boromir.441 ) Merry watches Sam while holding Pippin after escaping Moria. He's always empathizing with others in distress.442 ) A common thread in the storyline - that one character falters, and another pulls him through443 ) Legolas has three arrows (perhaps four) in his quiver when the Fellowship exits Moria and enters the woods of Lothlorien. The number remains the same as they entered Moria.LOTHLORIEN444 ) The brief look of contentment and anticipation flashes across Aragorn's face as he looks toward Lorien.445 ) The trees of Lorien seem to clatter and ring when Legolas and Aragorn enter the wood as if to welcome them (the traveler they know and the Wood Elf).446 ) The arrowheads of the Lorien Elves seem to be stylized versions of leaves like the ones seen to the side of Galadriel and Celeborn as they descend to greet the Fellowship.447 ) The Lorien bows are longer than Legolas' Mirkwood bow.448 ) Lothlorien Elves have white feathers for their fletching and Legolas (Mirkwood Elves have brown.) The Uruk-hai also has fletching that looks like hair (like the Moria Orcs).449 ) Frodo uses his telepathy for the first time with Galadriel (unknowingly using the power of the ring?) He is almost knocked over when he first receives the telepathy as he enters Lorien. He receives telepathic voice from Sauron (but only while wearing the ring and from the ring itself).450 ) When the Fellowship is being led up the stairs to the flet where they await Celeborn and Galadriel, if you look up to the next very large flet, it looks like they're sitting off to the left as an attendant crosses the floor at the top of the stair and approaches them.451 ) Galadriel was as tall as Celeborn, like in the book; 'the Lady no less tall than the Lord'. Amazing detail!452 ) The floor of the platform where the Fellowship meet Galadriel is decorated with the images of giant mallorn leaves453 ) When Galadriel is addressing the Fellowship, she looks at Boromir and knows he'll fail, but she looks at Sam (who doesn't look away) and she seems to know he will be true and the hope of the quest. "Yet hope remains as long as the company is true..." she says as she quietly smiles.454 ) The sparkles in Galadriel’s eyes while all of the others have one, sharp light reflection. They look like stars or daggers.455 ) In Lothlorien there are heavily laden plates of food behind Boromir when he starts talking about Gondor.456 ) When Boromir is in Lorien, he says that she (Galadriel) spoke of hope, but he can't see it. Sitting next to him, listening, is Aragorn, also known as Estel. The translation of Estel is hope. According to the book Aragorn's mother named him "Hope", meaning the hope of his people.457 ) Aragorn’s look of disbelief when Boromir says he’ll take no rest in Lothlorien. Aragorn obviously can’t fathom not being comforted in Lothlorien.458 ) When Boromir starts talking about the White Tower of Ecthelion, he raises his head and looks off into the distance as if seeing it. Behind him, we see Aragorn raise his head with almost a startled expression and look off at exactly the same angle, as if seeing the same thing. Both hold these positions until Boromir turns back to look at Aragorn. It's a beautiful shot.459 ) When Boromir says his line about someday, the trumpets of the White City calling home the Lords of Gondor (implying him and Aragorn), an incredible look of conflict crosses Aragorn’s face. He had been looking sympathetic, but when Boromir delivers that line, Aragorn suddenly seems consumed by an internal conflict: pursue the mission of the Quest, or follow Boromir to his (Aragorn’s ancestral city?)460 ) Most of the statues in the Elven realms look female or androgynous. The statues Galadriel passes as she walks down the stairs toward her mirror appear to be statues of herself.461 ) It's clear in the vision of the Shire that Frodo sees in Galadriel's mirror that there are two hobbits in the line that are head and shoulders bigger than the others, and their hair matches Merry and Pippin. Has to be the boys after the Ent draughts.462 ) The door to the Hobbiton mill is (human) rectangular rather than (hobbit) circular. This would tie in with Ted Sandyman's love of technology and rejection of hobbit ways.463 ) There is smoke rising from Galadriel's mirror after Frodo falls away from it... just like in the book464 ) When Galadriel converts to what she would be as a dark lord, it's the first time Frodo truly realizes the power of the ring465 ) Galadriel and Gandalf both grow and cause the light to darken and blows wind towards Frodo and Bilbo (respectively) when they're riled.466 ) When Galadriel "transforms" she appears the same as when the Fellowship first meet her during the line "...not dark but beautiful". During the next line "....and terrible as the dawn...." she transforms fully into her "wraith form" and her voice is overlayed with another. She goes on to say ".....treacherous as the sea......", her sleeves are torn and tattered as if she survived a shipwreck (or like the Wraiths' and Sauron's clothes). And during the same time her "Wraithform" wears a plated corselet.467 ) Galadriel's look of relief and resignation as she says "and remain Galadriel.” It ever so slightly lingers as she turns to Frodo and her face becomes stern when she says, “You are a ringbearer, Frodo…” At that moment, he seems condemned.468 ) Frodo instinctively knows he can trust Galadriel and Aragorn to withstand the ring's influence and he doesn't hide the ring from them when they're tempted. He knows he can't trust Boromir (asks to borrow the ring) or Bilbo and keeps it hidden from them469 ) Frodo communicates through thought/telepathy with Galadriel. His power and perception is growing.470 ) Not only did I notice the grey elvish cloaks they wore when departing Lorien, but I liked the Elvish leaf clasp that held them together! Nice attention to detail.471 ) The only scene where we see Galadriel wearing Nenya (besides the prologue) is when she is waving good-bye to the Fellowship472 ) Saruman is talking to Lurtz in front of the palantir (is Sauron watching?)THE GREAT RIVER473 ) Sam's disgusted glance back towards Strider when in the boats are leaving Lorien (he's NOT happy about being in a boat) and his continued look of irritation while sailing on the River Anduin.474 ) They keep the boats in the center of the river where the current is stongest, their farthest from shore, and there are fewer obstacles. (Wait! Is that a log drifting behind them?)475 ) The Uruk-hai have the "White Hand" of Saruman painted on their faces.476 ) You see Legolas then staring at his left and Lurtz at his right, it seems as if both of them are looking at each other: as two mirrors of the same picture, two extremes: the Elf, and the perfected corruption of the Elf.477 ) As they pass the Argonath, you can see where the stone for the great statues was quarried-- it looks like gigantic steps leading down to the river Narsil is in the hand of Elendil's figure at the Argonath (in the book, they're holding axes)478 ) There’s a bird's nest in the right eye of the last king we see at the Argonath (complete with baby birds)PARTH GALEN and AMON HEN479 ) When the Fellowship beaches their boats at Amon Hen, Boromir shivers. The call of the Ring, or a premonition of his place of death?480 ) Merry pats Gimli on the back/shoulder as he returns and sees that Gimli's riled about something. (bet that happened a lot!) Merry's always so supportive of the others.481 ) The statue at Weathertop is almost identical to the one that overlooks Boromir fighting at Amon Hen, only the one at Weathertop's hands are clasped together and the one at Amon Hen has it's hand open and slightly spread apart (receiving & giving?).482 ) All the statues erected in the realm of Gondor are male.483 ) Someone read the Atlas of Middle Earth. At Amon Hen (vestiges of an ancient, lost civilization), you can clearly see Tol Brandir.484 ) Frodo sees a vision of the army masses of Mordor and he hears black speech and not the common tongue Sauron spoke in Bree.485 ) When Aragorn finds Frodo at Amon Hen, he’s anxious and tense wondering where the ring is - which makes Frodo back away. But when Frodo asks him, “Can you protect me from yourself?” Aragorn stops in his tracks, and the look on his face is amazing - suddenly deeply introspective. At that moment, he’s not sure. This is the moment of the test that he has been fearing for so long, and he wasn’t expecting it to come right then. But once he starts walking to Frodo again, his face looks peaceful--he passes the test. Then the anguish in Aragorn's face when he rejects the ring and knows Frodo has to leave.486 ) The Ring calls out to Aragorn upon Amon Hen and uses his kingly name: "Aragorn... Elessar..."487 ) When Aragorn tells Frodo to run... the corner of Frodo's cloak lifts and curls away as he runs off from the Uruk-hai (does the same thing when falling on the steps in Khazad-dum). (Nothing of significance, just a lot of us thinks it's very cool!)488 ) Aragorn yells "Elendil!!" when he jumps from the Seat of Seeing at Amon Hen.489 ) There are two orcs running at Aragorn when Legolas tells Aragorn to go, steps in between Aragorn and the orcs and fires. One orc is right behind the other orc, and the arrow goes through both of them! Then he stabs an orc with his arrow, then fires it, then fires his other arrows so quickly that no one can get within ten feet of him. Excellent!490 ) Legolas has so much control over the force of his shots. He could easily have shot right through the orc Aragorn was struggling with at Amon Hen.491 ) Merry & Pippin hide under a tree at Parth Galen as they did in the Shire.492 ) The grey Elven-cloaks do change colour - they're grey on the river, but when Merry and Pippin are hiding from the orcs, they're green. Clever, eh?493 ) Part of the reason Pippin gets so upset when Merry tells him Frodo is leaving is because Pippin had just been listening to Gimli describe what it would be like to walk to Mordor (festering marshlands, etc.) Merry was off gathering wood and didn't hear. Sam was listening, too...and he didn't look to happy about it. Sam also heard Boromir's description at the Council.494 ) Boromir comes out of nowhere to save Merry & Pippin. Had he been off wandering since his confrontation with Frodo? He didn't have his shield (left at the camp). Maybe it would have helped save his life if he'd had it.495 ) Boromir is the only one who calls the hobbits "Little Ones" (although, Frodo refers to hobbits as "Little People" in the title page of Bilbo & his book). What at first seems a very patronizing expression is clearly an endearment by the end. Boromir is also the only one to tussle hobbit hair as one would do a child.496 ) Lurtz holds his arrow from inside the string instead of outside (holds it backwards)497 ) As Boromir is overcome protecting the hobbits, there is a statue (it’s the same fashion as the statues at Weathertop) overlooking the Son of Gondor as he's falling. It seems as if he's being overlooked by a forefather.498 ) Boromir's horn split (cloven in two)499 ) Merry and Pippin are throwing rocks at the Uruk-hai while Boromir is fighting. You can especially see them after he's taken the first and second arrows. They fought the same way in Moria throwing rocks at the troll. But when Boromir and Frodo fell, they grabbed their daggers and attacked. Part of hobbit battle tactics. Formidable when aroused. The expression on the two hobbits' faces as they tried to charge these towering Uruk-hai showed precisely how much their doomed friend meant to them.500 ) After Boromir gets hit by the second arrow from Lurtz's bow, he turns to Merry and Pippin and Merry extends his hand towards Boromir, reaching out for him for a brief moment, until the next Uruk-hai happens along and takes Boromir's attention and his sword.501 ) When Boromir is facing Lurtz, waiting for that final arrow... most people would close their eyes. Boromir is in pain and despair, yet he's going to face his death.502 ) Boromir is mortally wounded with three arrows in his chest (facing his foes in battle. Isildur's mortally wounded with three arrows in the back (fleeing from foes?))503 ) Aragorn drives his knife completely through Lurtz’s leg. You can see it sticking through the back of his leg.504 ) Aragorn deflects his own knife with his sword when Lurtz pulls it out of his leg and throws it at him.505 ) Legolas's face when Boromir's dying. He looks just devastated! He's obviously listening to what's being said and understanding everything.506 ) Aragorn knows exactly what to say to Boromir to ease his fears. His pledge not to let the White City fall, or for their people to fail was also a pledge to himself to follow his destiny.507 ) Boromir’s death was not in vain… he saved the hobbits from the first onslaught of orcs and guided Aragorn to claim his birthright. He bestowed the kingship on Aragorn with his dying words. "My Captain, My King." Aragorn kissing Boromir's forehead references the book, as in the following quote from TTT, journey to the crossroads: "He embraced the hobbits then, after the manner of his people, stooping, and placing his hnds upon their shoulders, and kissing their foreheads." This makes it seem like a cultural thing specific to Gondor and further illustrates the common background between Aragorn and Boromir.508 ) Aragorn symbolizing acceptance as he straps on Boromir's bracers. It also means he's representing Boromir in battle.509 ) After fight scenes in Moria and Amon Hen, the Fellowship have black hands and smudges of black on their faces. Orc blood is blackTHE BREAKING OF THE FELLOWSHIP510 ) In Moria Gandalf says "All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us," but when Frodo is alone on the Anduin remembering Gandalf says, "All you have to decide is what to do with the time given to you."511 ) Sam's pack is already in the boat Frodo takes across the river.512 ) You can see the form of Frodo's boat moving across the light above Sam as he sinks in the river.513 ) Sam holds the oar wrong when he and Frodo cross the river.514 ) Sam and Frodo don’t take everything packed in the boat as they climb the eastern shore515 ) Sam has somehow gotten his Elven brooch pinned on clumsily upside-down by the end of the movie.516 ) The only time Legolas comes close to smiling is right at the end, when Gimli looks at him and shouts "YES!" and they run after Aragorn. Legolas doesn't smile until Gimli has turned away and started off.517 ) Aragorn only says Merry and Pippin's names once... "We will not abandon Merry and Pippin to torment and death."518 ) It is not common to see the chain around Frodo's neck. Only on occasion, and they are specific to the action of the film. We see it in the final scene, as Frodo and Sam overlook the East. Nice. Reminds us of the ring in the final moment.INCREDIBLE DETAILS THAT JUST NEED TO BE MENTIONED519 ) Each culture has its own design theme. Hobbit buildings and artifacts have a rustic, English Arts & Crafts influenced design. Bag End is probably the best example of this. Elvish buildings and artifacts have a more sophisticated design, very much influenced by Art Nouveau. You can see this in just about everything in Rivendell. Saruman's study and throne room (for lack of a better term) are very ornamental and Gothic. The Orcs have a very crude design ethic that places raw function over form. (Just like the bad guys in those movies where the future is very dark and grim.) Rohirrim artifacts (helmets, spears, etc.) have a very Anglo-Saxon look to them; their buildings seem to be influenced by Gothic and Viking designs. I haven't seen enough of Gondor to get a good feel for the design theme for that culture.520 ) Gandalf held drinks five times: With Frodo at the table at Bag End discussing the ring; at Bilbo's party watching Merry and Pippin; at in the library at Minas Tirith; at Isengard with Saruman; he never held a cup at Bag End with Bilbo, but there was one in front of him on the table.521 ) Gandalf smokes nine times: In cart with Frodo; on stoop w/Bilbo; Bilbo's party; waiting for Frodo after Bilbo leaves; in the library at Minas Tirith; with Frodo at the table in Bag End discussing ring; in Rivendell waiting for Frodo's to reawaken; resting at the foothills of Caradhras; thinking about which door to take in Moria ((holds a pipe talking w/Elrond, but doesn't smoke it))522 ) Frodo and Pippin have collarless shirts, and Sam and Merry have shirts with collars; Pippin is the only one of the hobbits who doesn't wear a vest. Sam's is grey (pin striped, Frodo's is burgundy, and Merry's is yellow); each of the hobbits Shire cloaks close a different way (ties, buttons, etc.) and are different colors; Pippin's the only hobbit wearing a scarf.523 ) Pippin has a side bag slung across his shoulder and Merry has a backpack. Frodo has a backpack and Sam is loaded down with a huge backpack, 2 pans, one ladle, a cooking pot, a water bag hangs down below, a bedroll and there are sausages strung around the outside of all. He's also carrying a side bag over his shoulder. He can still keep up with the rest hauling three times their load.524 ) While the orcs in Moria and in the prologue all seem to have very individualized arms and armor, as though they scavenged or made it all themselves over time, the orcs coming out of Isengard are an "insta-army": most of their weapons and armor was made at the same time, and is more uniform.525 ) While Boromir’s horse wears heavy, elaborate tack, Legolas’s horse and Asfaloth are lightly bridled and saddled, with the same sort of buckles on their bridles (and all the elven horses seen so far have been grey). The Nazgul horses look like they took hours to be readied - all chains and straps and leather, with the straps on the bridle buckling upside-down (with the ends of the strap pointing up instead of down) - and like it was done carelessly: the fabric of the hood under their head armor is rucked up and wrinkled.526 ) Merry was constantly eating apples: At Bilbo's party stealing fireworks; at the foothills of Caradhras learning how to sword fight; at Weathertop getting his dagger from Aragorn; at Rivendell when reunited with Frodo; and he catches, but doesn't eat, an apple outside Bree in the wild.527 ) It looks like there's references of the players personalities in the film: Elijah roughing up his clothes when packing (admits to being messy); Sean Bean's saying Narsil is still sharp referencing his Sharpe series; maybe Orlando surfing down the stairs on a shield from him snowboarding and watersurfing all the time (?)
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At the very beginning at the mountain, where the camera is panning around the mountain, it seems like there are man-made tracks in the snow. The Fellowships tracks, perhaps, from their ill-fated attempt to cross Caradhras? Sam's brooch is still fastened backwards from everyone else's.Sam's backpack is in TTT is thinner. In FOTR it was stuffed, it now is almost empty.Frodo always deals with Gollum/Smeagol at his physical level. He crouches down whenever he's speaking to Smeagol.It seems that the music of a single trumpet represents Aragorn, the fiddle/violin represents Théoden or Éowyn, the flute represents Arwen, and the clarinet/whistle represents the hobbits.Eothain, who is sent by his mother to alert Edoras of the village attack, is (in the book) the name of one of Éomer's riders who challenges his decision to help the Hunters. The Dead Marshes scenes show dead Men and Elves--but no Orcs. In the marshes, Sam sleeps with his pots and pan next to his head... doesn't trust Sméagol.In the Dead Marshes scene, at least one of the elves shown lying beneath the water is recognizable as one of the elves killed in the SE FotR Prologue -- the elf with the reddish-orangish hair.When Frodo in entranced, petting the ring, Gollum is a short distance away doing the same motions as Frodo… only Gollum speaks what he's thinking… "So bright! So beautiful." ("This creature is bound to me, and I to him"When Gollum talks, the pupils of his eyes are small; when Sméagol talks, his pupils are large.There is an image of a horse on the nose guard of Éomer's helmet. "On my helmet it says engraved around the rim, 'This helmet belongs to Eomer, son of Eomund, may he ride forth in valor,' written in Rohiric," (Karl) Urban said. Many of the Rohirrim's Helms, but especially Éomer's, seem to be based roughly on the Anglo-Saxon Coppergate Helmet, from York. The sunburst emblem is on the front of Eomer's helmet, and is the design on Theoden's cloak clasp.Legolas says "Hiro hyn hîdh ab 'wanath." Which means "find they peace after death" -he thinks the hobbits have diedThéoden has Saruman's long fingernails when he's under his influence.When the White Wizard is revealed, Aragorn and Gimli both hold up their hands to shelter their eyes. Legolas stands straight (before bowing low), as though the bright light does not affect him much. When fighting the Balrog on the mountain top, he holds Glamdring up to receive a lightening bolt before he deals the fatal blow.Gandalf falls in Moria for 70.07 seconds; using the terminal velocity of a human in a fall--taking off a bit for the Balrog--he falls about 3 kilometers. You can see the endless stair to the right of where Gandalf and the Balrog are fighting.Gandalf has 3 different staffs - the art department based the design of each on the "G" rune. The new white staff makes it easy to see - each of the three sides is the G rune - once forward, once reversed, with the strokes crossing. When Gandalf introduces Shadowfax, not only does Gimli bow, but so does Shadowfax.When Eowyn looks out over Rohan and the flag rips away and falls at Aragorn's feet - if you look closely you see that the other flags have already ripped away. Another sign of the decay of Theoden under Wormtongue. Also that last flag being ripped away is a good visual of the last hope of Rohan being gone - Eomer has been banished, and now Theodred is dead. Grima's eyebrows: he doesn't have any!! That was toooo creepy!; There are scabs in Grima's wig. Gross...; and Grima has a mole above his left eye.Éowyn is standing high above the Fellowship dressed in white (The White Lady of Rohan--angelic savior?) while the townsfolk below are shrouded in black.When Gandalf and the hunters enter Meduseld, Gandalf holds on to Legolas' arm. (To create the illusion that he is an old man that needs a staff.) Gamling, who is Théoden's personal guard in the film, is an old man in charge of Helm's Deep in the book.The shields of Rohan has a symbol that almost looks like a compass or sunburst. That same emblem is over the main doors of Edoras, on Théoden's brooch, on the shields, on the tapestries behind Théoden's throne... it's everywhere! The banners have the white horse.The theme of the horse heads can really be found everywhere, on the roofs of houses in Edoras and also on the front of some of the saddles. The arm rests on Théoden's throne have the horse heads on their front and there are those little figures facing not only the front but also the side at the end of the arm rests. On the tapestry at Meduseld, it shows a Rohan warrior stooping over a prone individual. It was behind Eowyn at sword practice. Anyway, the Making Of book says that one of the tapestries is of Leod (?), a Rohan king who falls and dies while training a horse. So I bet this was that. Tom Shippy says tapestries are important because they appear in Meduseld but not in the Citadel. He believes the intent is to portray Gondor as a higher, but older and colder civilization. Gandalf the White glows while Saruman the white seems dingy, almost grey.Théoden's sword hilt has the shape of two horse heads facing each other (so does Éowyn's). The two carven horses facing one another on the quillon of Herugrim - Théoden's sword. They are carven exactly like the horse heads on the top of the pillars in Meduseld.The large bowls on stands throughout Meduseld (two are on either side of Théoden's throne) are lit with fire to bring light into the room, whereas they are unlit when Grima is in charge.There are many questions about identity. Gandalf, Théoden, Gollum all search their memories to remember (or question) who they are. In Meduseld the tops of the stone pillars are horse's heads.There are seven mounds of the kings of Rohan on one side, and nine on the other; and they are outside the entrance to Edoras (as described in the book).When Gimli burps his beer, Hama can be seen smiling in the background in a shot where everyone should be grave. Shadowfax's stall is like a palace in the stables with a beautiful gate. The stables of Edoras are adorned with beautifully carved pillars, stalls, and beams (images of running horses around the pillars).Eowyn's blue and brown dress is, in concept, a very traditional European middle ages garment - a lighter shift, probably cotton or linen, which could be washed easily, would dry quickly, and feel good against the skin. The outer dress is heavier, more durable, frequently more decorative. The outer dress is frequently just brushed down and aired out, rather than being washed. The Orc that oversees the wargs is also the one that Aragorn fights and then tells how Aragorn fell (he's got straps or metal strips on the top front of his head. Every time Aragorn is with Arwen, he speaks of dreams. Arwen always speaks of hope.Nearly every time someone says "Hope" in a scene with Aragorn, the camera cuts right to Aragorn--who is also named "Estel", which is "hope." Twice the use of the word Estel in Elvish: first during the Arwen/Aragorn dream as she says, "If you do not trust your path, trust to this" and touches his pendant, she speaks the word Estel. Also after Elrond tells Arwen her future he turns to face her and you hear the chorus begin with, "Estel..."In Arwen's vision of Aragorn's tomb, he's lying with Narsil in his hand and Boromir's bracers on his arms and is still wearing the ring of Barahir.When we see Arwen leaving Rivendell, she is wearing a brooch with a green gem in the middle of it. It appears to be a great bird of some sort with its wings spread. Could this possibly be the Elfstone, that Galadriel gives him in the gift giving scene from the book of TT? It is described in the book as a brooch of an eagle with outstretched wings, with a stone of clear green in the middle. When Elrond is contemplating what role the Elves should have in the war, he approaches the mural and looks sternly at Isildur's image... as if he's reliving his choices and the battle where it all started long ago. "Do we let them stand alone?" Saruman's symbol, the White Hand, is on some of the tree's in Fangorn. When Treebeard is "calling role" to see who is present at the Entmoot, he calls tree types rather than names. "Beech" is one of them (also Ash, Chestnut, Oak). The first Ent besides Treebeard we see is a very skinny one. It would seem that this skinny Ent would be the Beech tree. It also appears that this is the tree set on fire upon storming Isengard. Perhaps PJ is hinting towards Beechbone, the Ent who was scorched and died in the book. When Sam is talking about potatoes, he says, "boil them, mash them, put them in a stew," which is the song the trolls sing in the old Hobbit cartoon while deciding how to eat Bilbo and the Dwarves.Faramir asks Gollum "what did they steal" and Gollum shouts "My precious" His face is distorted very similarly to Bilbo's face when Bilbo grabbed for the ring in Rivendell.During the warg fight, Legolas fires his arrows with his left hand. Not sure if this is another film flip moment or done on purpose to show that he can do it both ways.There's a broken statue across from the statue of Helm Hammerhand.The wall hanging in Arwen's room is of the Two Trees in Valinor - which neither she nor Elrond would have ever seen, but surely would know about. There's also a small elven ship low in the picture between the two trees.Saruman's crows are circling the field outside Helm's Deep as a prelude to the army's arrival.Théoden IS left handed. (watched for flipped pix... everyone else around him is right-handed)During the horse and rider speech of Théoden's, the tables are set as though they were about to eat (or have eaten hastily). Later, Legolas knocks one of the tables over so that he can barricade the door with it.Haleth at Helms Deep is Philippa Boyen's son. The boy standing next to him before Aragorn speaks to them is Viggo's son, Henry (Hank).When the Elves march into Helm's Deep you can spot the Maori Elf (he's close to the camera). The temptation music we hear when Boromir and Aragorn are tempted by the ring can also be heard when Faramir sees it.When Faramir is looking at the ring, it doesn't make the same sounds as it has for others. Is Frodo interfering with it? He stops it and pushes Faramir's sword away just as he knows the ring is getting revved up. Before the charge, we see an older man standing beside a boy (Haleth, son of Hama). A powerful image of the young and the old united by force to defend their people and culture. The old man is the one who eventually releases the first arrow on the Orcs. Merry and Pippin have a different version of the Shire theme than Frodo. It's brief in TTT, and sounds a bit more Gaelic. Pippin used to fasten his cloak under his scarf, but since he lost his elven-brooch, he fastens it above this scarf.The marching music for the Ents is a variation of the moth music in FOTR (a "nature" theme) All of the White Hands seen on the Uruk's armour are left-hand prints - whereas the ones on the Uruk banners are right hand prints. Some of the shields are carried upside-down.An elf is the first to fall on the good side at the Battle of Helm's Deep.The children that we see before the king and Aragorn make the counter-assault right before Gandalf appears are the same children we saw in FOTR listening to Bilbo's story about the three trolls (The have close-ups in other shots). They are Peter and Fran's children.When Haldir is first wounded , it shocks him. He looks at his arm (looking at the blood?) as though he can't believe this is happening. Then when he's hit from behind, it's not so much the pain but the sheer surpise that death has caught him. As dawn approaches and the Uruks have taken the outer court of the keep, they are putting up flags with the white hand.When the Rohirrim charge down the hill and the sunlight breaks on the orcs faces at the last moment (effectively the Rohirrim and Gandalf use it as a weapon), it is exactly timed against Saruman saying "There will be no dawn for men."Although there are white horses besides Shadowfax, none shine like him. As it should be.After a series of retreats at Helms Deep, the banners with the white hand are shown on the outer walls. You see it for just a moment, but they didn't forget! When the waters of Isen are pouring across Isengard and into the caverns, you can hear an Orc cry as he is plunged down with the water. The sound seems recycled from the Moria sequence of Fellowship.Grima's nowhere to be seen when the Ents attack.During the Storming of Isengard, you can see smoke through the windows of Orthanc to the other side.Some of the Ents are throwing boulders against the base of Orthanc.The White Tree of Gondor is not only on Faramir's breast place, but also some shields. Also, the seven stars are high and are hidden by his cloak most of the time. It's the same design that we have seen Aragorn wearing in some ROTK pics.The ringwraith we see riding over Osgiliath carries a sword we've not yet seen. The tip of the pommel is diamond-shaped.Sam lifts Frodo up off the ground in Osgiliath the same way Aragorn lifts Sam up outside Moria. "On your feet, Sam." In other words... buck up... you can do this!Faramir kneels before Frodo, just as Aragorn did. These wise men kneeling to the Ringbearer - after they have refused the temptation of the Ring.No one calls Aragorn Strider (Oh, Sam…)Cameos spotted so far are: Peter throwing a spear out the window at the Uruk-hai with the battering ram and as a wild man incited by Saruman to attack the Westfold. One shouts "Murderer!" and then there's a wider shot of them, showing Saruman as well, raising their spears/swords and yelling. The shot directly after shows one man, yelling, and then the camera pans to the right to show another wild man yelling. If PJ's one of the wild men, that's him; Peter & Fran's children are seen several times as refugees in the Glittering Caves; Peters' storyboard artist, Christian Rivers (WETA Art Director) is standing along the wall smiling as the Elves march by; Dan Hennah and Alan Lee are standing behind Aragorn as he and Legolas argue about the Rohan-folk's fear; there's another soldier standing along the wall as the Elves march by...I think it's Daniel Falconer (WETA designer/sculptor)There's a touching memorium/dedication at the end of the credits for Carla Fry (Executive in Charge of Production); Brent Robb (Assistant Production Coordinator); and Brian Bansgrove (Supervising Chief Lighting Technician--Gaffer) who is seen in the DVD specials during the Moria filming. Orlando Bloom blinks 3 times during the entire film, and never when the camera is directly on him.In the credits there are two lines in Maori (wishing all the best to their land and people):He maungärongo ki te whenuaHe whakaaro pai ki ngä tängata katoaLegolas' eyes are brown for the majority of the battle of Helm's Deep, instead of their customary blue. It has been pointed out that elves' eyes change color with their mood. However, a story is reported that, in fact, this particular color change came about when Orlando Bloom's blue contact lenses were forgotten during some of the shooting for this sequence.

Posté : ven. 6 juin 2003 14:37
par esdeo
Bon ce sont des malades les gars, qui ont fait cela !!! :shock: :shock: Bon d'un autre côté, tout n'est pas intéressant et certains points relèvent de la description pure. En outre, il va effectivement falloir un bout de temps pour venir à bout de cette liste ... Au fait, Gillo, tu as TOUT lu ? :shock: ;)

Posté : ven. 6 juin 2003 15:09
par Melpomène
loooooool :lol:C'est assez.. fou!!!On apprend des trucs drôles :
413 ) When running from the orcs in Khazad-dum, Frodo’s shirt is still open from exposing the mithril shirt! (good detail)
Ca c'est du détail qui tue! Je penserai à regarder, tiens. Enfin tant que c'est pas la braguette qui reste ouverte.. Bon ok je sors :oops: Non juste autre chose :
516 ) The only time Legolas comes close to smiling is right at the end, when Gimli looks at him and shouts "YES!" and they run after Aragorn. Legolas doesn't smile until Gimli has turned away and started off.
C'est marrant, j'avais jamais remarqué mais maintenant qu'ils le disent c'est vrai, Legolas il fait toujours la gueule! :lol:

Posté : ven. 6 juin 2003 15:54
par Gollum
En vrac, c'est le mot !En jetant un coup d'oeil par-ci par là, c'est vrai qu'il y a des choses intéressantes (par exemple un elfe du marais des morts qu'on voit dans le prologue, Gollum qui bouge exactement comme Frodon quand il dit être lié à la créature, ou le calcul de la profondeur du gouffre de Kazad Dum)...J'approfondirai la lecture si j'en ai le temps. un travail de fou de repérer tout ça ! Mais c'est plus intéressant pour le film que par exemple recenser les erreurs !

Posté : ven. 6 juin 2003 15:56
par Foradan
Ligne 136, pause.Je viens de comprendre: c'est le film raconté à celui qui ne l'a pas vu: il y a du feu dans la cheminée et les clés sont sur la porte.....Je finirais un peu plus tard...

Posté : ven. 6 juin 2003 16:33
par Dil et Fergus
C'est vrai qu'il y a des truc intéressants et drôles mais alors lire ça avec la tête scotchée contre l'écran, non impossible, pour moi en tout cas :roll: . Enfin je l'ai un peu lu en diagonale et y'a des trucs qui me font bien rire comme Sam qui dort avec ses poëles et ses casseroles ou l'elfe maori au gouffre de helm :lol: . Je suppose qu'il n'était pas tatoué au visage, sinon ça aurait fait un peu tache :mrgreen: .Sinon pour Legolas qui ne cligne jamais des yeux, j'avais remarqué ça pour Galadriel lorsqu'elle montre son miroir à Frodon (à part quand elle les garde fermés). Ca fait vraiment un drôle d'effet quand on s'en rend compte :? . Enfin vous me direz, des gens qui arrivent à dormir les yeux ouverts, ça leur servirait pas à grand-chose de cligner des yeux :shock: ;) .

Posté : ven. 6 juin 2003 17:54
par Tanis-Rune de Sombrepierr
:eek2: Y'en a vraiment qui ont du temps à perdre. Enfin, y'a sûrement des trucs intéressants, des petits détails que j'ai pas remarqué ;) mais bon, vu la longueur de la liste et le fait que c en anglais, j'ai jeté l'éponge à la ligne 4 :oops: .Tanis

Posté : ven. 6 juin 2003 17:59
par Rosie
J'ose même pas imaginer combien de temps ils ont mis pour écrire tout ça !Enfin y en a des marrantes (Boromir aurait dû garder son bouclier avec lui, et oui...)
511 ) Sam's pack is already in the boat Frodo takes across the river.
Alors, soit Frodon a voulu lui piquer pour avoir de la corde elfique et des casseroles, soit c'est un acte inconscient et il savait que Sam allait venir avec lui ;)
Nearly every time someone says "Hope" in a scene with Aragorn, the camera cuts right to Aragorn
Tiens c'est drôle d'avoir remarqué ça, faudra vérifier ...
257 ) There are sort of baby 'cooing' noises in the background as Lurtz is 'born'. ...310 ) Boromir is examining the shards of Narsil when he nicks himself. The line, "it's still sharp," was wasted on most of the audience. (Sean Bean played Richard Sharpe in the "Sharpe's Rifles" series)
Oui, alors, bon, des fois je me demande s'ils en inventent pas ...

Posté : ven. 6 juin 2003 18:29
par Dil et Fergus
257 ) There are sort of baby 'cooing' noises in the background as Lurtz is 'born'. ...310 ) Boromir is examining the shards of Narsil when he nicks himself. The line, "it's still sharp," was wasted on most of the audience. (Sean Bean played Richard Sharpe in the "Sharpe's Rifles" series)
Oui, alors, bon, des fois je me demande s'ils en inventent pas ...
Je sais pas s'ils en ont inventé, mais ils en ont sûrement piqué quelques-uns sur les sites qui recensent ce genre de détails. L'histoire de Sean "Sharpe" Bean a fait pas mal le tour du ouèbe au moment où la CdA est sorti :D Il paraît qu'il prononce ce mot dans la moitié de ses films :shock: . Par contre les bruits de bébés à la naissance de Lurtz, ça me paraît un peu fort aussi :lol: .

Posté : ven. 6 juin 2003 18:55
par Melpomène
Hm en tout cas, il n'ont fait "que" le compte-rendu de la version normale de FOTR (oui parce que dans la VL Legolas sourit en mangeant du lembas et en parlant après avec Gimli dans la barque :) ). Qu'est-ce-que ç'aurait été...

Posté : ven. 6 juin 2003 18:57
par Gillossen
Au fait, Gillo, tu as TOUT lu ? :shock: ;)
Non, évidemment. :mrgreen:

Posté : ven. 6 juin 2003 19:32
par Moriakin
:shock: Ah ben là ils ont vraiment regardé le film image par image pour en arriver là :shock: J'admire ces gens, quand même 8)
419 ) The Orcs in Moria have large eyes compared to the orcs that Saruman uses. The reason the Moria orcs have larger eyes than the Isengard Orcs is that they live in the dark, and evolved that way--also part of the reason why they cannot stand the light as well.
Bon là, c'est vraiment de la déduction pure, mais il est vrai que ça se tient :D Je me demande bien quand même si c'est voulu ou c'est seulement dû au hasard :roll: ....

Posté : ven. 6 juin 2003 20:20
par Dil et Fergus
419 ) The Orcs in Moria have large eyes compared to the orcs that Saruman uses. The reason the Moria orcs have larger eyes than the Isengard Orcs is that they live in the dark, and evolved that way--also part of the reason why they cannot stand the light as well.
Bon là, c'est vraiment de la déduction pure, mais il est vrai que ça se tient :D Je me demande bien quand même si c'est voulu ou c'est seulement dû au hasard :roll: ....
Je crois que PJ en parle dans le commentaire audio du DVD. Enfin, je sais plus si c'est PJ mais c'est sur un des commentaires.

Posté : ven. 6 juin 2003 22:24
par Sylvadoc
338 ) Figwit can speak! Well, argue anyway. Ok, so we can’t hear him. But he’s one of the first to jump to his feet when the Council erupts in argument, and a moment later we see him arguing vehemently with someone. Methinks he must be uttering words of incredible wisdom and insight. Wish he wasn’t such a hothead, though.
Je comprendrai jamais tout ce battage autour de cet elfe du Conseil d'Elrond ! Ce mec là a des fans partout sur le web ! Faudra qu'on m'explique :)

Posté : sam. 7 juin 2003 13:10
par La Naia
En tout cas, ce genre de truc doit faire plaisir à ceux qui ont fait le film... J'imagine que ça devait être barbant de s'occuper des couteaux dans le pot à miel sur la fenêtre de la cuisine de Cul-de-Sac (:lol: ), et il y a sûrement des gens qui ne se sont occupés que de détails dans le genre. Et le temps qu'ils ont du passer à faire les décors! ça doit vraiment faire plaisir qu'il y a quelqu'un pour le remarquer!

Posté : sam. 7 juin 2003 13:40
par Gollum
Tiens, je viens de refaire un petit calcul physique, et j'ai un problème.D'après ce type, la chute de Gandalf de 70 secondes implique un gouffre de 3 km.En recalculant, si je ne me trompe pas, je tombe moi sur ... 24 km !Avec juste au moment de la chute une vitesse de 770 m/s (2 fois la vitesse du son : on ne l'entend pas passer le mur du son, d'ailleurs. Et en plusn tomber dans l'eau à cette vitesse, heureusement que c'est le Balrog qui prend tout !).J'ai pas tenu compte des collisions et du frottement de l'air, mais bon....mince alors...

Posté : sam. 7 juin 2003 14:03
par Mil
Oui mais la formule z(t)=1/2gt^2 est valable uniquement dans le cas de la chute livre, t'as vu la carrure de gandalf? y'as du frottement :PEn plus le g sur la terre du milieu n'est pas le g de notre terre, il nous faudrait la masses de la terre du milieu et le diametre (me semble que c'est un truc plat :-))C'est pas gagné :-)J'aime bien l'idée que ce sgars ont eu c'est bien marrant, meme si c'est des fous. :lol:

Posté : sam. 7 juin 2003 21:19
par Hylwen
En plus le g sur la terre du milieu n'est pas le g de notre terre, il nous faudrait la masses de la terre du milieu et le diametre (me semble que c'est un truc plat :-))
Aaah non ;) La Terre du Milieu est ronde depuis le cataclysme de la submersion de Numenor... mais c'est une autre histoire :mrgreen: (et un autre forum aussi). ;) N'empêche qu'ils ont dû y mettre le temps les gars qui ont fait cette liste, et le vouloir aussi. Il y a quelques trucs que j'irai vérifier un de ces jours, pour voir ;) :D

Posté : dim. 8 juin 2003 12:46
par Gillossen
Il y en a bien qui débatent du fait que Théoden emploie le terme " child " et pas " son " - dans la VO donc - lorsqu'il se recueille sur la tombe de son fils... 8) :roll: